Kone & Kabinet Q&A

    Quote from djazz

    I have an issue with my 2 Kones in stereo that maybe one of the pioneers or Kemper can help me with. The speaker sounds great with guitar through it. The guitar can be very loud, louder than I'll need at my smaller gigs where I want to use them at. I want to do this:

    • The ultimate KEMPER Kone setup: Play guitar along to the stereo input using the speaker imprints, while the music

      plays full-range, through the same cabinets.

      I'm feeding the music in stereo to the Return In/Alternative In and the the guitar sounds fine, but the music coming in causes the speakers to "pop" and then the speakers shut down and then come back on a split second later. The guitar can be really really loud through them, so I'm not sure why the music is doing this. I can play guitar through them fine with no issues, but when adding especially bass heavy tracks the issue occurs and it occurs all the time (unusable for me). I've been playing around with the "to monitor out volume" and the "Kemper Kone volume" settings. This is using the Camplifier S2 at 25 watts per side (this is able to work with 4 - 16 ohm speakers). Any ideas? Maybe and probably it's the Camplifier shutting down? If so, are there any recommendations or should I try a different amp. I have an older Crown amp I could try (way too heavy for gigs). Thanks in advance.

      By the way, while it's working, it's absolutely beautiful and will work great for gigs.

    It is probably a Camplifier shutdown.

    You can check this by connecting the Monitor Out (line level, not speaker) to another monitor system or even plug in your headphones directly into the Monitor Output. Leave the Kone Mode on, even though it will sound weird.

    Do the drop outs appear even without or before the Camplifier?

    I still prefer studio monitors for low volume playing and recording but the Kabinet is a good alternative rapid you want to use the same setup for home and live. However, if you have an unpowered Kemper you will still need to budget for a suitable power amp whereas most studio monitors nowadays are self powered.

    Quote from deadpan

    Some random heavy riffing with the v30 Kone.

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    Holy smokes! I can't wait to try one.

    Quote from waraba

    can someone equipped with a stereo Kone system or stereo cab tell me if these can be used as a monitor & mix system ?

    I think about installing a new room in my basement for playing , recording & mixing , and a pair of KAbinet or similar system would be perfect ,especially if I can use them as a mixing monitor set as well.

    Thanks

    They are only FRFR via the DSP in the Profiler, so I'd say no.

    Quote from deadpan

    Some random heavy riffing with the v30 Kone.

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    What’s your guitar and kemper profile for that?

    I just listened to Ola englunds Rig of the week, where he uses a Mesa V30 Cab and i can definitely hear the V30 in this....sounds pretty killer.

    I had to send my Camplifier back to make it ready for 4Ohms (sadly just 90W, but hey....will do) and my Kabinet will arrive tomorrow.

    Looking forward to that!

    Quote from ckemper

    It is probably a Camplifier shutdown.

    You can check this by connecting the Monitor Out (line level, not speaker) to another monitor system or even plug in your headphones directly into the Monitor Output. Leave the Kone Mode on, even though it will sound weird.

    Do the drop outs appear even without or before the Camplifier?

    You were correct, No dropouts with another monitor system or direct to headphones. I can turn up the Monitor Volume/Kone Volume to the max and it won't shutdown. Add back the Camplifier and it shuts down. It can't handle the backing tracks, which I guess is suspected at 25 W. It's still a great product for guitar signals, or to power regular speakers or even the Kone/Kabinet but it won't handle music at higher bass frequencies. I think Ritter Amps' Camplifier SHP (140W per channel) would work. I've got an email into them, wondering if they've tried it. Also, as others have said, I think the Seymour Duncan 700 would work well too. Thanks for the reply's CKEMPER and others.

    Update: Works perfectly with an older Crown Micro-tech 600, very loud . . . . . . too bad it weighs more than a small car.

    Edited once, last by djazz (March 20, 2020 at 5:31 PM).

    Quote from Wheresthedug

    I sort of understand what you mean but I must confess I have never really understood this concept. The very definition of sound is moving air so if an FRFR doesn’t move air it is literally inaudible ?


    for me the amp in the room concept is more to do with dispersion and on/off axis response which is obviously very different for a tweeter than a 12” speaker.

    I have to hear this then. I believe it's coming to me in the form of Kabinet which will be powered by Fryette PS-2.

    Quote from Monkey_Man

    I'm sure skoczy wouldn't mind if I quoted from our private conversation about this; it'd save me a bunch of typing and repetition:

    [Skoczy plays Kemper->Fryette Power Station video]

    This is just MHO as expressed in a private conversation; I'm no authority of course and YMMV.

    HTH anyone who's been pondering the situation, and thank you skoczy for inviting me in. <3


    skoczy You'll like the PS-2. I own one and it's actually designed to be flat as possible, despite the tubes, because it's actually designed to be used with tube amps with the intent that you can either attenuate a big amp down to a lower volume or raise the volume of a small amp - all while maintaining the original tone of the amp.

    To use it with a modeller, just send your monitor out to the line in on the Fryette and send the signal to a cab. It is 50 tube watts loud, and extremely responsive.

    I've seen some people say that the PS-2 is actually a better power amp to pair with the Kemper than the actual powered Kemper power amp.

    However, I don't think that's the case at all. Didn't notice any additional responsiveness or tube feel compared to the powered Kemper with mine.

    It is a great option though, because it's like a swiss amp attenuator/loadbox/power amp. One of the best purchases I ever made.

    Quote from Wheresthedug

    Ah, gotcha. I thought they were all valve. Every day's a school day ;)

    Just on the basis of A to B: How do you like the Kabinet compared to the Thiele cabinet you own?

    I really like my Thiele, but plan on getting a Kabinet because it just seems really cool to have multiple speakers for various tones. But the Thiele is kind of suited for a variety of tones as is.

    In that sense, I'd love to know what you think are the benefits of the Kabinet over the EVM12L, assuming you like the sound of that speaker.