Where did he say that, at the Namm show?
Where did who say what?
Where did he say that, at the Namm show?
Where did who say what?
This may be why originally Kemper said that it could not properly profile Mesa amps?
I don't recall Kemper saying that.
Yep, where did they say that?
Christopher mentioned it years ago, back when I was having problems profiling a Mesa, literally a month or two after the KPA was released. He also could not nail one of his own amps back then, however since then the profiling process has been improved several times, I'm not sure if the same caveats apply.
Christopher mentioned it years ago, back when I was having problems
profiling a Mesa, literally a month or two after the KPA was released. He also could not nail one of his own amps back then, however since then the profiling process has been improved several times, I'm not sure if the same caveats apply.
Well, Guido for example is one who has shown its feasible in the meantime
edit 3 h later : also Djemass MarkIIC pack dont show problems with this type of amps
For me the Rectifier seem easier thanks to reduced gain stages. For the IIc+, the cascade gain may perhaps be more tricky to profile. just an assumption...
Yep, where did they say that?
C Kemper from march 2012:
"Thanks for these files. It is possible that your Mesa 525 cannot be perfectly profiled. We had that other single case of a Mesa Triaxis, that only produced bad results.We are aware that there is a small number of amps that are hard to profile. We don't have a black list yet, 'cause I am only aware of a third amp up to now, it's the Marshall JMP 1.Where do you live? Please send your contact to our support hotline, so we can try out together."
Ah, you meant specific Mesa models. Sorry, I had missed that.
It has been on the wikpa since the beginning
I now recall the Triaxis as being listed as hard to profile but certainly not Mesa amps in general.
I now recall the Triaxis as being listed as hard to profile but certainly not Mesa amps in general.
Yeah it was never "all mesa amps", the Kemper can nail plenty of them just fine, it was just a few idiosyncratic models. The 5:25 is a peculiar beast due to it having a circuit designed to exploit sag like effects in an unconventional way in order to boost the perceived volume, it literally dumps a tube when you hit the strings harder, this created an exaggerated dynamic which I'm assuming contributed to the difficulty in profiling.
Thanks Dragonsf. It sounds like Christoph Kemper did not exactly say that the KPA could not properly profile Mesa amps. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GWtN-w7YQo
you have to watch on youtube to see translation
I hope to god this is not true!!
the part at 6:02 where he injects a sine wave into the profile and it has different spectrum analysis then the boogie .anyone ever tried a test like this ?
They are claiming the frequency curve of the cab is accuarate , but the distortion character of the preamp is lacking in certain harmonics compared to the original miked up amp, which would make the sound thinner especially for single note lines etc.
Ok folks. Back to the thread topic.
I passed the information above (including the youtube video) in my extra hyper mega uber "Bullshit-o-Meter" version 2.0 and got an interesting result.
Behold:
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LOLL(SHIT)
I would have liked to see the comparison of a second Mesa-Snapshot one hour later, after the tubes had warmed up. Or the comparision between two identical Mesas. I'm convinced that the differencies would be much more significant than to the Profile.
In the end it is in your own ear, fuck off diagrams, i am guitarplayer not dr. Analyst.
I know there are difference between kpa and amp, but what shells, kpa sound good, is affordable and the audience doesn t hear anything, cause they only want to listen to music and have fun.
Nobody can buy so many amps, has so many options with one amp, like kpa.
There will always be a fraction who will say:"THERE ARE DIFFERENCE, IS NOT REAL, LIKE THIS KIND OF SHIT"
My advice to this people, play with your amp and leave the digital next generation their peace
Love peace rock n roll
Hey can someone explain what this means to the average layperson in terms of the effect on the sound?
Hey can someone explain what this means to the average layperson in terms of the effect on the sound?
From memory, the first harmonic seemed to be attenuated in their video. This would give less beefiness/less thick tone, I'd say.
Damn this is something I've definitely felt with the Kemper! Thought it was just in the mind
I couldn't understand any of that, but, that 2nd order harmonic was absolutely missing and that is not really ok. If its a Mesa thing, then so be it, BUT.. It really needs to be looked at. That harmonic is rather important to the overall tone.