How many cents before you need to retune?

TheWolf2103 · April 13, 2021 at 11:39 AM

Quote from DonPetersen

Telecaster - doing things right since 1950

... and Stratocaster since 1954

OneEng1 · April 14, 2021 at 2:47 AM

Quote from TheWolf2103

... and Stratocaster since 1954

Well now that's good. I have 2 of those ;).

Wheresthedug · April 14, 2021 at 8:45 AM

Quote from DonPetersen

Telecaster - doing things right since 1950

But even the Tele and Strat need string trees to compensate for the lack of head angle. The string tress can be as big a problem as the spread of strings on other guitars.

gilles · April 14, 2021 at 5:33 PM

an interesting Bonus Lesson about TUNING on James Taylor Official Site:

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KellyMidiMurphy · April 14, 2021 at 6:56 PM

Very interesting. I guess I’ve been doing it wrong for 40 years.
But, does this only apply when using a capo?

Also, I like the DonPetersen comment earlier in this thread about tuning the attack and not the decay.

TheWolf2103 · April 14, 2021 at 9:38 PM

Quote from Wheresthedug

But even the Tele and Strat need string trees to compensate for the lack of head angle. The string tress can be as big a problem as the spread of strings on other guitars.

If you use staggered tuners - no need for string trees - I have no string trees on either my Strat or Tele ... it also helps a lot with "behind the nut" string bending

BayouTexan · April 14, 2021 at 9:51 PM

Quote from gilles

an interesting Bonus Lesson about TUNING on James Taylor Official Site:

I don't think that brand will fit on my pedal board.

gilles · April 14, 2021 at 10:24 PM

maybe a custom pedaltrain ?

Sollazzon · April 14, 2021 at 11:58 PM

gilles Thanks!..interesting! I got to try that 'unconvetional' method

Wheresthedug · April 15, 2021 at 8:15 AM

Quote from TheWolf2103

If you use staggered tuners - no need for string trees - I have no string trees on either my Strat or Tele ... it also helps a lot with "behind the nut" string bending

Yes, I have Sperzel on my Levinson Blade and they work well even though the Blade has String Trees can be used if you choose to.

but, to be fair, Leo never designed it that way back in the 50’s ?

Sollazzon · April 18, 2021 at 10:44 PM

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an interesting Bonus Lesson about TUNING on James Taylor Official Site:

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It's Insane How WELL tuned sounds my guitar now.. I'm a bit Confused but IT WORKS!

BayouTexan · April 18, 2021 at 10:52 PM

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It's Insane How WELL tuned sounds my guitar now.. I'm a bit Confused but IT WORKS!

Guitars are imperfect instruments. Just using jumbo frets with a slight bit more finger pressure results in going sharp some. JT uses that tuning to adjust for finger pressure IMO. I usually cheat on my G and B strings if I play high gain songs with a D tonal center. I also cheat on the low E too for chugging. Just don't tell anyone.

Sollazzon · April 19, 2021 at 12:02 AM

ok, don't worry it will be Our Secret !

GearJocke · April 19, 2021 at 12:08 AM

Acoustic guitar can't be intonated like a electric guitar can be so you need to compensate for that. For a electric guitar it depends on you playing style and string gauge too.

jarabuandi · April 19, 2021 at 1:05 AM

I have the tuner programmed like this in my Axe-FX 2

Ibot39 · April 19, 2021 at 1:07 AM

It depends on scale length, string gauge and material, action, string height, nut placement (some manufacturer move the nut slightly forward), how the nut is cut, personal playing style...

So you have to find out how to set up, intonate and tune EACH of YOUR instrument. There is no solution that works for everyone on every guitar for every song.

gilles · April 19, 2021 at 10:36 AM

I tried and it. Works fine for me...

Differents guitars, different feeling...

But it’s opening a new way !

GearJocke · April 20, 2021 at 10:17 PM

Forgot my main point. Never tune all strings to 0(We all have been there because no one showed us) like they show in tuner demonstration videos. There's a reason when listening to commercial songs and the guitar(s)sounds so well tuned. Of course a well set up is a must first.

nunya123 · April 27, 2021 at 10:18 PM

not taking the poll because there is not enough details in the question to give an affirmative answer -

Studio work needs to be 0. Studio needs to be the most precise, the cleanest work you have ever done. PERIOD.

Live work is more forgiving.

Live with multiple guitarists can easily get away with 1-3, even 3-6 depending on genre.

Live work as a sole guitarist can be the 7+. But too much more than 11 is pushing it.

And practice/rehearsal/jamming - forget about it. As long as you are fingering the right note, that is all that counts.

*if you can hear it, forget cents and tune it

nunya123 · April 27, 2021 at 10:33 PM

Quote from GearJocke

Acoustic guitar can't be intonated like a electric guitar can be so you need to compensate for that. For a electric guitar it depends on you playing style and string gauge too.

just because I believe you have the right thought but it came across a little lacking on paper (we are all guilty of this from time to time) ----

String gauge doesn't matter on electric guitars because they have individual bridges that can compensate.
Acoustic guitars can be intonated by changing gauges. This means buying 6 individual strings (once the correct gauges are discovered), not a pack of 6 pre-selected sizes.