Posts by OneEng1

    While you're waiting.

    Put in a pitch block set it to the overtone you want (+5, unison, +12 etc. and have it fade in with morph when you want it.

    I was also thinking that it would be cool to use morph to change the overtone in real time ;). Good idea though. Morph would bring a really amazing capability to a feedback.

    I think, as guitar players, the different and sometimes unpredictable feedback overtones you achieve by facing your guitar at different angles to the speaker is one of the things that brings a smile to your face. Perhaps a randomizer for the overtones?

    To be specific:
    What open issues are there in this beta and what needs to be tested again to go forward? If everything is so easy and there are no more errors, why isn't it released?
    I think that in all beta releases, the known issues should always be listed in the release note. The last Beta updaste was in Jun ?!
    And in a post that is about this beta release, problems and progress on this release should be discussed and no personal statements.

    If the last beta released was June, and today is mid July, how is that a problem? A month or two of beta testing is not excessive in my experience. If issues were found, then time must be added to fix and integrate.

    One of the issues with a single binary utilized over multiple hardware types is that more validation is required. It is offset by the single code base advantages, but as per my previous posts, "In engineering you never get something for nothing".

    Also, at this time, Kemper is very likely using much (if not all) of its firmware resources to bring the paid update to the Player to market. This represents a huge upgrade to Player owners and a new revenue stream for Kemper. If it were my company, all other matters would be taking a back seat to that work stream with very very few exceptions.

    I am not unsympathetic to your frustration though. All of us would like more free updates with more free features as soon as possible. We must all keep in mind that Kemper is a business and does all the work they do to create profit so they can continue to gainfully employ and expand their business. God forbid that our selfish desires for more new features be delayed by the companies need to continue to make payroll ;).

    Some of these posts have nothing to do with the topic of 11.0 Beta.
    The same dilemma has been going on for over 10 years. Whether errors are discovered or not is purely coincidental. To date, there seem to be no test plans for the beta test that could be worked on. There are no official error lists so that errors can be confirmed or specified. From a QS manager's point of view, so much time and money is being wasted. If you assume a public beta test, all major errors should actually have been found and fixed internally.

    Fair about the posts being off topic.

    Beta releases, by their very definition, are suspected to have some issues that the normal testing process can not economically identify. With complex engineering systems, it becomes impossible to exercise every potential path through the code with a real-world use case. This is what Beta testing is for. As for quality, the use of a beta release is a proven part of a quality process. Not certain what quality processes you are familiar with, but I can assure you that this is the case.

    I don't think that anyone should load a beta software on any device and expect that there are no issues with it.

    As far as the overall quality of the Kemper product, it is extemporary IMO..... and my opinion is coming from one who runs engineering departments for a living. On stage, this device has been rock solid through every release since I purchased it in 2013. From the forums here, there are very few (if any) stability issues, and within the main functionality, there are never any issues at all. The problems generally pop up in less frequent use paths and new functionality. This is normal.

    Furthermore, Kemper is very responsive to issues and feature requests and unlike other companies, doesn't require you to buy new hardware to get new features every few years.

    Same here. I just played a festival gig and it was 10 minutes to set up

    I’m playin a outside gig Friday and it will be the same

    And it isn't just the gigs either. When I go to practice, the rig gets setup at the Lead Player's house for practice, broken down and brought home, and setup the next day in my basement.

    All those setups and tear-downs add up to LOTS of time saved over my old rig...... and quite honestly, I couldn't lug that big heavy crap around anymore without getting sore anyway. I like feeling good after a gig .... not like I got into a fight in a back alley and left in a dumpster :).

    It's almost like I wrote this. Isn't it interesting how there are many types of Kemper users, some that want to hook it up to all kinds of weird software and different devices with a wireless remote and some that just use it for a pedal platform like a single channel amp. My point is there are a few people on this forum that see things almost exactly as I do, (mostly road dogs/ people that play out a lot). Some may argue and disagree but there are a few of us on here that I see fairly consistently agree with why they love their Kemper and why it's preferred over our Tube amps.

    Yea, I think the KPA is very popular among road dogs. I just love my KPA as a gigging rig. I have a 1 trip load in/load out, and can setup on stage in about 10 minutes..... and some of that is storing away my guitar case, KPA rack covers, and my gig bag that holds my remote and cables :).

    I figure I am set with the KPA until I am unable to gig live anymore (probably another 5-10 years as I am 58 now). I used to gig with 3 guitars (Taylor acoustic, fender strat and Gibson Les Paul). I now gig with 1 (and a spare) PRS Custom 24, use the split coil feature for my single coil sound (with specific rigs designed to make it sound more like a strat), and a couple of acoustic sim rigs to replace the need for my Taylor. For me, gig simplicity leads to gig consistency (should be a poet!).

    I don't have temperamental tube amps, fussy pedal boards with knobs that can be bumped and cables that can get messed up and big heavy cabs to lug around. Don't have to worry about a mic getting bumped away from the cab and messing up the live sound. Just lots and lots of things that are much easier now to get right gig after gig after gig.

    Still, the OP and others are right. The KPA isn't for everyone. Nothin wrong with the sound of a good tube amp and pedal board. Some people know how to make that rig work for them and don't want to bother learning how to do it any other way. My knees started giving me trouble in my early 40's and I really had to get my rig lighter and smaller (Ever carried an original VHT 4x12 cab and VHT Ultralead head before?). I also have a house with a walk out basement now so no more stairs for the PA gear either :). My knees are doing fine now.

    Absolutely Nothing seems to make sense within the Kemper mindset. It's all too confusing for me and I have neither the time nor the inclination to figure it all out. Perhaps it's time to go back to using real amps?

    I have advocated to several people to switch from their tube amp rigs to a Kemper. Usually this is because they are amazed at the live sound I am able to achieve compared to their own live sound (several of them have played with me and could hear the Kemper vs their tube amp rigs first hand).

    That stated, Kemper is not for everyone. If you use little efx, are very cost sensitive, play primarily in your basement or just jam once in a while, etc, etc, then a decent tube amp rig might be the very best solution for you.

    Where I will absolutely defend my KPA rack and foot controller is in a frequent live gig use case, especially for a cover band where a wide breadth of tones need to be accomplished. Here the KPA reigns supreme IMO.

    I have also seen that it is very hard for people who are used to a specific rig's workflow to change. They know the amp, and their custom foot control board setup and have no desire to change.

    For me, lugging around a tube amp and a 4x12 cab along with a pedal board (and a guitar cab mic) was just way too much work and too inflexible for tone. You will never get a good Marshall sound out of a MESA triple rect or a Fender twin, but you can get all three easily from a Kemper ..... and it weighs only 11 lbs!

    There is nothing wrong with using real amps. Good lord knows I gigged tube amps myself for 30 years (1983 to 2013), and I didn't switch to Kemper in order to get good tone (actually I thought I would lose tone for sure). I switched due to load in/ load out/ and setup times along with reproducibility from gig to gig. The tone was a pleasant surprise.

    I would also state, that Kemper is by far the easiest, and most intuitive of the digital guitar amps to use. Still not as simple as a tube amp and pedal board perhaps, but a damn site more simple that 3 tube amps and a switcher :).

    I still prefer having the small Kemper FC with a single Ethernet cable running out on stage vs the relatively cable mess associated with having the Stage at my feet.

    I will wait a little longer for bootup for that. YMMV.

    You would almost need 2 columns below each button to show what each effect toggle state was at power on. The user would then assume that all the states assigned would switch when you press the button.

    That is an excellent suggestion :)

    How would you track the "On" state vs the "Off" state on the GUI? ie, it is possible to turn one effect ON and turn the next one OFF with a single press. How would you suggest showing this on the GUI?

    The current shot you show doesn't show which effect is on which side of the toggle.

    I Get it. While it would be a great workflow to have a graphical representation of the FC, then assign multiple functions to each button (and input), that is quite a bit of work.

    The current implementation is workable, and WAY better than doing it without Rig Manager.

    I personally feel all the money I spent on this release has been worth it 😄.

    The unification was a necessary step. It makes more sense to roll it out now instead of holding it back, just to avoid getting the "I'm underwhelmed" comment. Let's face it: It doesn't matter what we do. Somebody will always be unhappy with it ;)

    Definitely. It would have been what I call "Stupid Squared" to move forward with a non-unified release that would have taken twice the validation effort and twice the integration effort.

    Also, I have seen firmware projects where (with the best of intentions) a split was allowed to persist. It later ended up costing >$1M in effort to resolve (2 years later).

    No one ever "expects" it to last very long. Everyone wants to ignore the growing issue. No one wants to explain to the Owner where his $1M went when it is time to pay the piper, so it is better to just do the right thing in the first place :)

    You can't please all the people all of the time. Kemper does a pretty good job of pleasing quite a lot of people.

    It's a bit of apples and oranges. The basic reverb on the Tonex units are probably fine in terms of having some basic ambience to work with when practicing direct, especially if you were to use headphones, which only the bigger 3-footwsitch Tonex and the Player have. But not as an outright replacement for a good quality versatile reverb. If you wanted to use the little Tonex on a pedal board, it is of course quite small and cheap. However, with the practical live limitation of having a single foot switch and lack of effects, you will invariably need to buy or at least make space on your board for more pedals to cover things the baby Tonex (and for that matter the original Tonex) don't do. You are also more drive pedal dependent on the baby Tonex as you can't quickly access more than two captures. So no net space saved on your pedal board. No money saved either unless you already own pedals that cover the things the baby Tonex can't do but the Player can.

    That was my thought as well.

    By the time you put the ToneX on a pedal board, added a good verb and a good delay and a good compressor and a good eq, you would be larger, less flexible, and more expensive than the Player.

    My personal thought is that today, the biggest competitor to the Kemper Player is a used Kemper toaster or rack which can be had for around 1K :).

    If you insist on constraining the generic term of modeling to one method (component modeling),

    then yeah. Profiling is not component modeling. Christoph said he was lazy and wanted an automated way to do it. That’s obvious.

    Allow the term to be even slightly generic to permit other methodologies or ways to get a similar result - and you get Captures or Profiles or whatever marketing term isn’t taken.

    They imitate, emulate, mimic, copy, replicate…..whatever. They all *model* the sound of an amplifier.

    It’d be like saying a 3D printed plastic car isn’t a model because it wasn’t injection molded. Or made from wood or metal or whatever.

    Modeling has always (to me) meant attempting to model with digital processing what the circuit was doing in the tube amp (including the tube).

    Profiling and capturing have always (to me) meant comparing the input and output of an actual amp and using it to recreate its behavior (not modeling and two different approaches)

    Both are digital simulations or emulators of a real amp.

    It is still irrelevant as the ToneX, as nearly perfect of a capture device as it is, still does not have the workflow, or additional overall processing and efx needed to sound as good as the Player.

    OneEng1 its pedantic, but…

    Profiling is not just across a range of frequencies. That’s how on IR works. Profiling considers both frequencies and amplitudes, thus capturing the amp and cab response to every variation in playing and pickup configuration.

    My Tonex sounds quite good to me, but my Player sounds better. That’s just my opinion…


    As I stated earlier, all that matters is how it sounds and reacts. How it achieves it is not important!

    I'm not sure what "find an automated method, rather than modeling amps by hand." means to others. To me that says "Profiling models amps.....automatically."

    It's fundamentally different than traditional modeling. Yes. It's automated.

    Whereas the tonestacks for Liquid Profiles are (apparently) done by manual means. Since they specifically state they're modeled.

    modeling an amp is an attempt to duplicate the analog circuit elements with digital models. Then a user can tweak the circuit to get different sounds.

    Profiling or capture uses the idea of capturing the system response of any system by comparing ONLY the input and the output across a range of frequencies (like an impulse response but using a frequency sweep and impulse analysis and likely other methods).

    Capturing well is likely a much more difficult task than modeling any single amp, but much much less work than modeling every amp with every setup on the planet.

    As an aside, based on analysis, the ToneX does a more accurate job of capturing the amp exactly than the KPA, but still falls light years behind it in overall sound quality and gig workflow?

    Using Christoph’s own words….profiling *is* modeling:

    No, it is not. That isn't what his statement meant at all.

    The various algorithms and routing needed to cover every amp with modeling was considered too difficult and clunky. As a result, Kemper decided to do something different (Profiling). This is fundamentally different than modeling.

    Now, my belief as an engineer is that CK actually does have a generic model that he uses to tweak the capture/profile; however, that doesn't change the fact that the KPA fundamentally operates different than a modeler.

    Note: ToneX and QC are also capture and model tools vs. pure modeling.

    All of this is basically crap anyway. Who cares? How does it sound, and how well does the workflow match your needs? These are the important questions. Who cares how it manages to do it?

    I don't think that is the audience it is after. The pedal itself does not really process effects, other then reverb and compressor and that is minimal. From my prospective the ToneX is only meant to be the amp and cab for a pedalboard with your analog effects. Set up like that it really works exceptionally well.

    I guess I hadn't thought about it like that before. I once had an ADA rack mount preamp, but quickly scratched the idea as the pedalboard plus preamp combo was the same complexity and a tube head and efx board.

    When I decided to simplify my rig, all-in-one was all I looked at.

    Now, I would like to have a mini rig with most of the capabilities as my kpa rack and fc.

    I am watching the player mature, but also watching FM3 and Line6. ToneX just doesn't tick enough boxes in my case.