Using Main Outs, how to pan?

music · June 9, 2017 at 7:20 PM

If I use both Main Outs (left and right)
and some stereo effects (f.e. delay),
what is better for FOH:
one channel panned hard left and one hard right?
Or both channels panned in the middle?
What sounds better?

music · June 9, 2017 at 11:29 PM

Nobody any idea?

Ingolf · June 9, 2017 at 11:57 PM

When playing live, most people in the audience won't take advantage when using stereo FX, only those standing in the right spot. For the majority of listeners the sound even may be odd.
Therefore I wouldn't go stereo at all.

music · June 9, 2017 at 11:59 PM

Quote from Ingolf

When playing live, most people in the audience won't take advantage when using stereo FX, only those standing in the right spot. For the majority of listeners the sound even may be odd.
Therefore I wouldn't go stereo at all.

Ok.
But some of the delays are really nice in stereo, aren't they?
So you would not use them live?

Ingolf · June 10, 2017 at 12:51 AM

Quote from music

Ok.But some of the delays are really nice in stereo, aren't they?
So you would not use them live?

I generally switch my Main Outs to Master mono when playing live, yes.

teleplayer364 · June 10, 2017 at 3:12 AM

I run the panning at 9 oclock and 3 oclock.

warlus1 · June 11, 2017 at 11:14 AM

is it possible to have :

stereo output left/ stereo fx right ?

paults · June 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM

Quote from warlus1

is it possible to have :

stereo output left/ stereo fx right?

No - each Output jack can send one signal, not two.

paults · June 11, 2017 at 4:30 PM

If the FOH engineer wants stereo, I set my Output to Stereo, and the FOH engineer connects two XLR cables. The two channels are likely panned far L and R. Our keyboardist also sends a stereo signal.

If the FOH is mono, I set my Output to Master Mono, and one XLR is connected.

music · June 11, 2017 at 7:56 PM

Quote from paults

If the FOH engineer wants stereo, I set my Output to Stereo, and the FOH engineer connects two XLR cables. The two channels are likely panned far L and R. Our keyboardist also sends a stereo signal.

If the FOH is mono, I set my Output to Master Mono, and one XLR is connected.

Thanks.
And did you realize differences in your sound? Is it stereo "bigger"?
What way (stereo/mono) do you prefer and why?

warlus1 · June 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM

Quote from paults

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stereo output left from left XLR / stereo fx right from right XLR?

Robman · June 11, 2017 at 10:01 PM

I pan hard left and hard right

paults · June 12, 2017 at 5:09 AM

Quote from music

Thanks.And did you realize differences in your sound? Is it stereo "bigger"?
What way (stereo/mono) do you prefer and why?

Quote from warlus1

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stereo output left from left XLR / stereo fx right from right XLR?

@music Stereo can sound bigger, if the stereo effects are mixed loud enough to be heard in the mix, and if the mix is sparse enough for there to be room in it for the stereo effects. I can do this in our band because there is one guitarist and a keyboardist. In a two guitar heavy rock band, stereo effects on lead parts would likely work, but rhythm parts would likely sound pretty much the same in a mix, whether the FX were mono or stereo.

@warlus1 Yes - if Master Stereo is selected: One XLR = Left out, the other XLR = Right out.

warlus1 · June 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM

no, with this you have:
Guitar amp+left fx from the left xlr
And
Guitar amp +right fx from the right xlr

What i want to do is:

Guitar amp+left fx from the left xlr
And
Right fx (wet only) from the right xlr

Is it possible ?

paults · June 12, 2017 at 3:40 PM

No - that option is not available.

warlus1 · June 13, 2017 at 1:13 PM

thanks @paults

klincejr · June 13, 2017 at 9:51 PM

I do acoustic stuff and use a A&H Qu-16 console and EAW Redline speakers...the places I play are small'ish enough that a stereo signal certainly would work and that's how I have my rig setup. I use a stereo output and then run the L/R out of the Kemper to 2 channels on the mixer that are panned hard L/R respectively. Seems to work great for me.

Finally · October 17, 2017 at 4:48 AM

Apologies for bumping an old thread, but I really disagree with the idea that mono is a better idea than stereo. (Unless you're talking about metal or some other genre that I don't listen to or play.)

Stereo effects can destroy a live mix only when the sound person lets them. They can just pan the channels closer together to reduce the width of the stereo field.

The idea of using the rotary speaker effect in mono is not very appealing. Same for stereo delays - can't fathom why you'd destroy that amazing effect by crushing it into one dimension.

I'm assuming that everyone here at least runs a stereo mix that enables panning. If you're running everything in mono, with all of the channels up the middle and you think it sounds good then this thread is not relevant to you.

DonPetersen · October 17, 2017 at 2:14 PM

Quote from warlus1

no, with this you have:
Guitar amp+left fx from the left xlr
And
Guitar amp +right fx from the right xlr

What i want to do is:

Guitar amp+left fx from the left xlr
And
Right fx (wet only) from the right xlr

Is it possible ?

this is as close as it gets, I think:

Output Sources - OUTPUT section, page 1/6

Monitor Output - Master left (amp + mono summed fx)
Main Outputs - Delay/Reverb wet (use only one output)

more common would be to do a wet-dry-wet setup,
with Monitor Output set to Stack and both XLRs for the wet signal

karlic · October 17, 2017 at 6:16 PM

Quote from Finally

Apologies for bumping an old thread, but I really disagree with the idea that mono is a better idea than stereo. (Unless you're talking about metal or some other genre that I don't listen to or play.)

Stereo effects can destroy a live mix only when the sound person lets them. They can just pan the channels closer together to reduce the width of the stereo field.

The idea of using the rotary speaker effect in mono is not very appealing. Same for stereo delays - can't fathom why you'd destroy that amazing effect by crushing it into one dimension.

I'm assuming that everyone here at least runs a stereo mix that enables panning. If you're running everything in mono, with all of the channels up the middle and you think it sounds good then this thread is not relevant to you.

This all sounds great to me, but our live engineer always tells that is good if the venue is ideal. Firstly, there are many badly maintained PAs that put things out of phase and speaker placement is less than perfect at some shows. Also audience members are often standing in front of one speaker stack.

I convinced him on the Kemper stereo widener being eq based, but his instinct is still to pan very narrow.