Trying to get more breakup from this tone

MrHighway · December 7, 2023 at 7:02 PM

I loaded up another factory profile - The Blackface Dimed. Backed off the gain all the way to zero, added compressor, a pure boost and took the definition down a bit. More power in the hammer ons! Its better than it was so I'm nearly there lol. Just a bit more tweaking to do, my strat is a rosewood fretboard though, his is a maple so always going to be a bit brighter.

Ruefus · December 7, 2023 at 7:40 PM

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I get it. I had similar thoughts regarding the Knopfler thing. Could never get it to sound exactly right and still haven't. I'm convinced it's the player not the amp in my case.

Which Knopfler thing are you referring to? Such a great player.

lbieber · December 7, 2023 at 7:45 PM

It's a right hand technique similar to the video in the original post. One Knopfler example is Walk Of Life. I associate the this technique mainly with Ry Cooder, but Knopfler does it as well. I'm not sure where it originated. There are a lot of variations on this general technique.

JedMckenna · December 8, 2023 at 2:24 PM

You need one of those:

Ruefus · December 8, 2023 at 2:31 PM

At least it fits in the overhead compartment on the plane.......

MrHighway · December 8, 2023 at 3:04 PM

Lol, wouldn't it be great if they had in a strat body style.

Still can't quite get the chimey sparkly "chkk" from any of the factory Black Face ones. Too bright sounding, have tried rolling down my tone knob but not really getting close enough.

May have look around for some paid profiles of the BlackFace, TAF do 7 for £4.99 so worth a spin. Then there's TopJimi for about $15.

cmbrowns · December 8, 2023 at 3:12 PM

Have you tried changing just the cab? An easy way is to load any profile until you find a cab maybe not as bright. Lock it then load your Black Face rig.

MrHighway · December 8, 2023 at 3:13 PM

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Have you tried changing just the cab? An easy way is to load any profile until you find a cab maybe not as bright. Lock it then load your Black Face rig.

Yeah I have, but none are really doing it at the moment.

Finally · December 9, 2023 at 7:21 AM

Left field here, but try turning up the volume and playing with a lighter touch to "coax" the notes out and get them to sing a bit if you dig in even a little bit.

MrHighway · December 9, 2023 at 11:40 AM

Yeah I think the rig volume is on +5 just to get some more breakup, or level. I got the Top Jimi Deluxe 64 Reverb pack which is based off the Blackface amp in that era. The low gain is giving me that chimey sparkle so having some success, but there seems to be a lot more crunch and attack when Ed's playing:

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He's not hitting the guitar that hard either.

Kellerblues · December 9, 2023 at 12:17 PM

Have you tried a clean boost in front of the amp?

MrHighway · December 9, 2023 at 12:37 PM

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Have you tried a clean boost in front of the amp?

Not on this profile yet but on the other ones there was already a pure booster on the default profile

Wheresthedug · December 9, 2023 at 12:45 PM

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Yeah I think the rig volume is on +5 just to get some more breakup, or level. I got the Top Jimi Deluxe 64 Reverb pack which is based off the Blackface amp in that era. The low gain is giving me that chimey sparkle so having some success, but there seems to be a lot more crunch and attack when Ed's playing:

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He's not hitting the guitar that hard either.

Rig volume males no difference to the amount of breakup or anything tonal in the profile. It is literally just a pure volume control like the output volumes but in a different spot in the signal path.

MrHighway · December 9, 2023 at 12:50 PM

Yeah I just turned it up to match the volume of the other profiles in the same performance bank like the crunch and overdrive amps

Wheresthedug · December 9, 2023 at 12:52 PM

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Yeah I just turned it up to match the volume of the other profiles in the same performance bank like the crunch and overdrive amps

Probably better to turn others down and leave some headroom rather than keep boosting everything.

MrHighway · December 9, 2023 at 1:00 PM

What about compression? Sounds like there's a stackload on there to get that volume up on the strings. Or maybe its just a really loud tube amp.

Ruefus · December 9, 2023 at 1:05 PM

How does a 'crappy' guitar player have a tone so hard to mimic?

Oh......wait....../s

MrHighway · December 9, 2023 at 1:06 PM

Lol and one who only plays 4 chords in one position?

I don't know, maybe tone is really in the fingers!!

cmbrowns · December 9, 2023 at 2:38 PM

According to this site, it does look like Mr. Sheeran uses a Vox AC15C1 with a greenback. Maybe that would get you a bit closer.

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MrHighway · December 9, 2023 at 3:37 PM

Hmm funnily enough I did load in a Factory profile of the Vox AC15. I couldn't quite get that sparkly sound but will try again, have tried a lot of Black Face ones and maybe its not the right amp.