Posts by Ruefus

Quote from CPHfx

The title of this thread is about competition?

I guess noone is really interested in my opinion, but anyway: I think we should not underestimate line 6 Stadium.

They advertised exactly the things, which were criticized before: difficult to dial in, no dynamics (volume pot), ...

They had 10+ years to watch and play with kemper - patents are open, thus they for sure read it and tried to rebuilt for testing and research purposes.

They now advertised a device with very good specs (higher input dynamic spec than kemper), lots of power and - as far as I understood completely new way of modeling (sounded to me like a hybrid approach of modeling and profiling of components).

In addition, they will also add profiling - as I said: they know kemper, tonex, NAM, etc for quite some time and will at least try hard to be at least on par with kemper version 1 (patents run out).

Combining this with a great form factor and state-of-the-art UI, I am interstate to get one of them instead of the stage I was going to order (currently using toaster with remote).

I heard all the time " screen is not important - we have the editor"... I, very subjectively don't agree here. I liked the kemper for all the knobs which allowed dialing stuff in on the device. This got harder with more and more effects and additions - and a misunderstanding from me what the "type" knobs does. Still kemper did not decide to save money and form factor with less knobs... but also not to drive editor development.

Putting all this together, I decided to wait for the performance of the line 6 profiling - if it is as good as mk1 kemper, I personally will prefer that unit.

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I don’t think anyone is underestimating Line6.

They’ve been at this longer than anyone by a fair margin.

The Stadium looks good. For the price, it had better be. It also does a million things, most of which I personally have no need for.

As for a hybrid of modeling and profiling - that’s *exactly* what Kemper did/is doing with Liquid Profiles.

Eric Klein (aka Digital Igloo) at Line6 congratulated Christoph when Liquid Profiling was first released, saying words to the effect of “No one could figure it out for years…..Christoph did it before anyone. Bravo.”

Does that make Kemper ‘better’? No.

It is interesting how others seem to be headed down the path CK cut, though.

Now…if Cliff Davis at Fractal starts with profiling….get your affairs in order.

The end is nigh. 😋😉

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said.

It’s just maddening to hear people chirp about ‘accuracy’ when that isn’t the point of music.

Philosophical vs practical I suppose.

Quote from dso_100

I fail to see the correlation between famous amps sounding different prior to being produced and mastered onto tracks and the ability of Kemper to profile accurately. Straw man argument. Why would more accuracy be a downside?

I never said they sounded different than what’s been recorded. I said no one really knows what they sounded like standing in the room. Where did I involve recording?

I never said accuracy was a downside. The ruthless adherence to it? Yeah. That’s stupid IMO.

I said this relentless pursuit of the consumer demanding complete accuracy misses the point.

You may have a rig that sounds *exactly* like so-and-so…..but if it sounds like crap to my ear…..I don’t really care.

Chasing the sound in your head. That’s where the fun (and frustration) is for me. Learning what someone else did - and playing with the concept. Not like some of these slavish people- who sometimes sound like crap - but insist it’s the same sound their hero had.

Quote from sailor

So do I, but I'm sure you understand my point. Accurate recreation of real world amps is 99.99% the raison d'etre of the Kemper and the reason for Kemper's success. That has been the explicitly stated purpose of their products for 14 years. I was just humbly disagreeing with someone who says accurate recreation of amps is not the purpose of a KPP.

I never said accuracy wasn’t the purpose.

What I said - and you quoted - was:

“I thought the idea was to get the sound in your head. Not recreate something someone already did.“

If you’re after historical accuracy - any unit, modeler or Profiler can get you there. The level of effort is the only real difference.

Just don’t touch a single thing once you’re there or it isn’t ‘accurate’ to history anymore.

I don’t see why *maintaining* that accuracy when chasing sounds is so doggone important. Most of the time I *hate* these so-called ‘perfect’ rigs.

I don’t care if it’s *exactly* what (insert guitar icon) sounded like. Sounds bad to me through my hands and gear.

Quote from sailor

Creating a sound that is in your head that doesn't exist in a real world amp is the purview of modelers, not profilers.

With all due respect - we do it every day.

My go to clean is a ‘67 Champ into either a 212 with v30s, or a Marshall 1960 with greenbacks.

Neither of those configurations exist in the real world. The Champ would never drive those speakers well.

As above, the moment you touch a control - especially parameters like Definition, Clarity or Tube Shape, you’re deviating significantly from the original.

Using any control on the generic eq deviates.

The idea that a modeler can create new sounds where a Profiler can’t - or isn’t suited for - is not true at all.

The tone stack on a LOT of Marshalls are as much window dressing as they are effective. Kemper’s Generic EQ gives adjustability way beyond.

I didn’t buy this thing to get the digital equivalent of an amplifier museum.

I would argue the idea that the full range mode is what the audience hears.

It really isn’t when you think about it.

In the Profile/Capture world, I would think admitting the unit has ‘a sound’ would be detrimental.

People screaming for ‘accuracy’ drive me nuts.

As if anyone really knows what EVH’s original Marshall sounded like raw with no mics. Or SRV’s Dumble, Paisley’s OG Trainreck etc.

Or if they could pick it out of a lineup.

Does the unit sound good? Yeah? Is it dead-nuts identical to ‘insert amp model’!!?!? On that day, maybe.

Why is accuracy seemingly the only factor considered?

I thought the idea was to get the sound in your head. Not recreate something someone already did. If you’re in a cover band….I suppose but even then….I’ve created approximations of ‘iconic’ rigs using gear *nothing* like the OG….and they sound great. Better than the supposed ‘exact’ match.

Heck - no one sounds the same live as they do on record. Except maybe for Eric Johnson. That dude….but even he swaps out amps all the time.

Well…..as I’ve said before…..we’re going to find out.

If CK found what he believes to be improvements worth new hardware.

They’ve also made mention of Liquid Profiles more in-depth than what we’ve seen. Like….baked into the Profiling process and more

Like it, hate it, believe it, don’t believe it.

Issa comin’

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Not my experience Ruefus, imho not enough headroom…

Horses for courses. I’m not familiar with your setup, so I’m fairly blind.

For dedicated monitoring? My experience - ain’t no way 50+ watts isn’t enough.

For projecting? The room would need to be pretty good sized. But that’s what a P.A. is for, so I’ve got to be missing something.

The Powerstages use IcePower amp modules. Specifically the 50ASX in the 170, 200ASC and n the 200 and (most likely) the 700ASC.

I’ve got a 200ASC and just acquired a 50ASX. The 200ASC is *stupid* loud.

In other words.

They are very good, high quality power amps.

50 watts at 8 ohms per side is *plenty* loud for personal monitoring or to project at a gig.

The Player isn’t a power hog per se. As a profiler and top-level effects processor, it requires more juice to operate than a simple delay or dirt box (which need very little).

Like the HX Stomp and others, their smaller size makes an outboard power brick necessary.

If effects is all you’re after, something like an HX Effects or other multi-effect may be a better solution.

The main feature of any Profiler is the amp/cab simulations. If you’re going into the front input of an amp, what comes out of the speaker is going to be colored. A lot.

What is it you’d like the PP to give you? It can serve as an entire signal chain by itself.

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Makes me want to start gigging with a bean POD tweaked to perfection as a middle finger to threads like this.

Agreed.

Def Leppard’s Hysteria was recorded using a Rockman for most of the guitar sounds.

IOW - One of the best selling albums of all time used a cheap practice amp.

It’s been said Page used a Pignose practice amp on several occasions.

Well….I guess we’re going to find out…..🙃

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Interesting. I own an FM3T and find that setting up for live with scenes is quite easy once I wrapped my head around the setup of Fractal. You do need to bounce between scenes and effects if you want a bit more control of effects on and off. But I find I can do enough with scenes and a couple of foot switches for my needs.

I found setting up scenes similar to setting up performances in the Kemper

The routing options on the Fractal are far superior to Kemper.

My go to is still the Kemper for live

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Like most things - once you understand the particular workflow, it becomes easier to get what you want.

You can’t apply a Profiler mentality to a modeler any more than the reverse. Two similar - but different schools of thought.

Matteo Mancuso is a Yamaha-endorsed artist and plays their Rev Stars. Until recently, he used a Helix (the LT, I believe). I saw him a couple weeks ago (amazeballs, btw) and he’s now using a Fractal FM3, an expression/volume pedal….and nothing else.

He’s said he made the switch not for sound issues - but for power and portability in travel the FM3 provides.

You can jump brands for reasons other than sounds.

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Isn't this already supported in Level III as "Parallel Path"?

Different thing. Del/Rev is a setting. Parallel path is more for bass players but has application for some electric guitar.

Quote from tmo1611

hmm. ok, i hoped that somebody also had this issue. really strange. also my input source switcht by itself at the gig.. and i couldn't change back without notebook..

Unfortunately, I’ve never heard of it.

It may sound like a cop out, but it isn’t:

Contact support.