A little glimpse into the modelled Liquid Gain/EQ tone stacks!
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June 17, 2023 at 4:21 PM -
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sounds like it will be here soon. Can’t wait
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Yippee.
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This is going to be so much freakin fun. I'm about to burst.
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Can't wait to try this one when it arrives.
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Does this mean will be limited to the amp models Kemper gives us or can we profile our own amp and make a model of that?
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Does this mean will be limited to the amp models Kemper gives us or can we profile our own amp and make a model of that?
The tone stacks will be limited to the ones Kemper has modeled (40 so far), but you can apply them to any profile you have/make
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Rats! I thought the modeling would be done during the profile process.
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Rats! I thought the modeling would be done during the profile process.
This would go way beyond Magic.......more kind of a miracle
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This would go way beyond Magic.......more kind of a miracle
That's what A.I. wants you to believe so you call it god.
It's just math but a lot of it in just milliseconds. -
Does this mean will be limited to the amp models Kemper gives us or can we profile our own amp and make a model of that?
Bear in mind that virtually every tone stack in existence is some variation of either the basic Fender, Marshall or Vox circuits. The one outlier is the Baxandall active tone stack.
The difference between different amp manufacturers and models is basically a few changes in resister and capacitor values and even some of these are shared between lots of amps. Therefore, 40 tone stacks should be able to cover most things even if it means substituting the tone stack from a different amp model (with the same or very similar values).
I am sure Kemper will add more models over time when they find a unique amp.I would love to see a Tone Stack for some two knob amps like my THD Bi Valve though.
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The one outlier is the Baxendale active tone stack.
If I'm not mistaken Tweeds, Ampeg and Orange have it (even some Dumble). Pretty sure one of them will be amongst the 40
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If I'm not mistaken Tweeds, Ampeg and Orange have it (even some Dumble). Pretty sure one of them will be amongst the 40
I don’t think so as all of those are still passive stacks that can only cut frequencies. The active stack can also boost them.
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I don’t think so as all of those are still passive stacks that can only cut frequencies. The active stack can also boost them.
Ampeg GVT5, Bogner Goldfinger are active. Theorethically a Fender blackface is active as well (Plate-driven with cut and boost caps)
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I’m not familiar with either the Ampeg or Bogner but a quick look at the Ampeg manual certainly looks like it is a Baxandall active tone stack so one of the outliers I was referring to.
I’m not an amp tech so my knowledge is limited but surely the Blackface Fenders are still a simple passive TMB stack which can only cut frequencies.
This is about as much as I can just about get my head round and even this makes my head hurt 😵💫 -
The difference between different amp manufacturers and models is basically a few changes in resister and capacitor values and even some of these are shared between lots of amps. Therefore, 40 tone stacks should be able to cover most things even if it means substituting the tone stack from a different amp model (with the same or very similar values).
Exactly !! As i wrote it, i assume that a Marshall JCM Tone Stack will be abble to be applied to another amp rig cause it has the same configuration.
The most important problem we gonna meet is to know which Tone stack we will be able to use for every amps....
I've acquired sound guy's knowledges with modelers/profiler, tomorrow, i'm gonna be an electrical circuit engineer
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OK, that does sound pretty convincing! I like the reaction when they switch back to the generic tone stack: "yeuck!" - yep, that's what it's felt like trying to EQ profiles thus far... at least by more than about 0.5 in any direction. The proof will be in the pudding, but feeling a little more hopeful after watching this. Maybe I don't need an axe fx after all
Would still be great to get some explanation of roughly how it works - presumably it's not just a custom EQ placed before or after the profile, but somehow interacts with the dist character, to simulate how an actual marshall tone stack is placed between preamp and postamp - ?
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That's what A.I. wants you to believe so you call it god.
It's just math but a lot of it in just milliseconds.Exactly! A lot of people saying "modelling tone stack during profiling can't be done" - but it would just be a more detailed/multifaceted version of processes we already know are possible (IR's/"profiling"/EQ matching/machine learning etc). However, maybe there's a good reason whey they've not gone this route - and from the demonstration in the video above, am increasingly hopeful that whatever "liquid profiling" is, it might actually do the trick.
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Oh, and what's an "orange overdose"? Hoping these ones will work with Rockerverb profiles, as this is one of my favourite amps, but have struggled to find many where the EQ's been profiled to suit my pickups.