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Hey markyboy,

just visit a good audio store in your quarter and ask to connect your Profiler to the best PA they have: it's the same concept of a flat cab, and you'll have a garsp about how (good) it sounds.

Also, become confident with the parameters in the Amp section: for example, try and lower Definition down, it's a good thing to give the sound a mellower tone.
Also, chances are you're using too much distortion: it's not needed with the Profiler as with many modellers. I'd try and clean it a bit.

Don't give up, the tone is there, like the Pietà in a block of marble: you just have to reach it

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ok ill give the Bose a try on Paults advise, have to say I have used it with one speaker before but ill try again with the suggested settings. Thank you for that.

Yamaha DXR 10 I think our local music shop has those, ill give it a try thanks ingolf

The DXR 10's are awesome !!!!

+1 for the DXR10. Sounds great, and can be very loud. If you try one of those, notice there are switches on the back of it to adjust the sound of it for different uses.

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Would it have to be a powered Yamaha DX 10\12 or passive as my Kemper is the powered version??

Don't think you can get a passive DXR10/12 they are all powered IIRC

Since you have a powered Kemper, look at UNpowered monitors. There's no need to buy one with another power amp in it.

I suggest looking at the kind of monitors that also allow pole mounting for FOH use - they will sound more flat when aimed at the audience than a monitor designed to only e used as a floor wedge.

If you want to still use your guitar cab, I suggest using just your guitar cab.

Trying to use a guitar cabinet and a FRFR at the same time adds many more variables. Since you are trying to get your fundamental sound dialed in, stick to one cabinet to make that happen.

Flat Response = Full Range The Yamaha DX series are Flat Response Full Range cabinets. Non-powered monitor and PA cabinets are also designed to be FRFR.

I don't have specific passive cabinets to recommend, but, Yamaha is a safe bet - look at their UNpowered cabinets that sell for similar prices to the DXR10 - they would have speaker components similar to their higher product lines.

I think the Bose-cabs are the problem, honestly I hate Bose-systems, especially for electric guitar...

I would try good FRFR-cabs (CLR, Matrix, KPA-solutions), do you have active studio-monitors available? Try to play your KPA via the studio-monitors and you'll hear what the KPA is capable to do. Without an excellent FRFR-solution it will be hard to achieve the same sound and feel.

You sound a bit confused, so at the risk of being slightly patronising, I'll explain the term.

FRFR = Full Range, Flat Response
Basically, this is a speaker that intends to reproduce the signal that's driving it as accurately as possible between 20Hz-20KHz (the maximum range of human hearing). In reality, loudspeaker systems are a series of compromises, so you'll never find one that can reproduce the whole full range of frequencies with a totally even and flat response, so generally the better models have a deviancy of +-3dB before they drop off at either end of the spectrum.

Your guitar cab will have a range somewhere around 100Hz - 4-5KHz and won't have anywhere near a flat frequency response between those points, hence the cab having a great impact on your guitar sound. This is why generally playing through a cab is best with cab sims in the KPA switched off, so you're not colouring the sound twice. However, some rigs sound just great doing that, too.

As you can probably see, the KPA is a tweaker's paradise and you could lose weeks messing about , polishing your sound. On the other hand, if you're not entirely sure what you're trying to do, you could end up chasing your tail and not finding any sound you like (although statistically that must be impossible, what with the 6000+ free rigs out there, not to mention the commercial profiles!).

Cheers,
Sam

Edit : well, I guess it took me so long to post, Paults beat me to it haha!

You're welcome markyboy

I'd suggest one or two passive Atomic Amps' CLR: the best you money could buy, top notch in power and linearity and with a number of other advantages for either home, rehearsals or stage.

And yes, a linear cab is meant to return all the nuances of the rigs you use. But if you use one along with a guitar cab the sound will change nevertheless: not sure it would be worth it (in terms of pure fidelity to the rig's sound). I'd use them in alternative, when you want to really hear the profile's sound.
Anyway, when used together I'd use the power amp's out for the guitar cab, and the passive monitor out (or one of the main outs [or both if you end up with a couple of CLRs and/or want a W/D/W system]) for the active cab.

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for real cabs, i use the "monitor output eq" and boost 1db treble + presence. That way you dont have to change the profile eq that also goes to FOH straight. Sounds awesome..i still dont get why people use frfr in rehearsal room i dont want a "monitorsound"...and live on stage there is a monitor anyway but i still like to have a roaring cab behind me

In the same light, and believe me, I get what you are saying because I had a hard time with it initially....after 30+ years of playing with a cab behind me, I don't understand why I even need one anymore with monitors in front of me. I'd rather hear what the audience is hearing. For rehearsals, yes, I can see how one would prefer a real cab in a smaller setting but I have grown to really like the mic'd tone I am getting through an FRFR, even in rehearsals. I find that I get better depth of each profile and much more differentiation instead of taking on the sound of the regular cab that I am using. I just found that the profiles in the higher gain settings all sounded similar with the cabs off feature. Compensating with the output EQ just made it more of a mess, not a bad thing just not what I was hoping for.

Dudes, don't argue with someone who says their XXXXXX (e.g. Kemper) doesn't sound good or (insert any XXXXX reason) here. They are either not able to figure out how to adjust the sound and/or amplifications, trolling axe 2 users, or really can't find what they like/modelers aren't for them. So that's all you should really care about. If I was going to try to prove an OP wrong (not this case, im saying in general) about his opinion, it just wouldn't work cuz opinion is opinion and the web is the web and people can be idiots (again not this OP, general)

We know the kemper is as good as any real tube, as long as you amp it correctly (read: as to your liking), and that its actually better for its economy and thousands of rigs available.

BTW, is there a Kemper version 2 in the works, and if it is, when will it be estimated release? Cheers

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Dudes, don't argue with someone who says their XXXXXX (e.g. Kemper) doesn't sound good or (insert any XXXXX reason) here. They are either not able to figure out how to adjust the sound and/or amplifications, trolling axe 2 users, or really can't find what they like/modelers aren't for them. So that's all you should really care about. If I was going to try to prove an OP wrong (not this case, im saying in general) about his opinion, it just wouldn't work cuz opinion is opinion and the web is the web and people can be idiots (again not this OP, general)

We know the kemper is as good as any real tube, as long as you amp it correctly (read: as to your liking), and that its actually better for its economy and thousands of rigs available.
BTW, is there a Kemper version 2 in the works, and if it is, when will it be estimated release? Cheers

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Well, we're not arguing, just finding out what the expectations of the OP are and about possible flaws in how the profiler gets amplified, because lots of users aren't used to go FRFR, and some, frankly speaking aren't ready for it. It's a paradigm shift from old guitar amplification as I like to say (again &amp; again).</p>

As for Kemper 2: Not on the horizon.</p>

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Marky Boy - if it's any consolation, I am having a similar problem trying to find that sound and having too many options! I am jut used to plugging into a 4x12 and switching on, treble and bass up high, bit of mid...done.

The Kemper is a different proposition and I personally feel you can't instantly get a sound you want because:

• On a converntional amp you have already committed to a Marshall/Blackstar/Fender etc. sound so you work with it and adjust quicker
• I think it's bias is studio/FRFR and you ahve to work a bit harder to get the amp in the oom sound from a cab
• Psycologically you know it's digital so it can't sound like a valve amp, right?

I have the powerack as well and I guess we have the choice of powered or non powered FRFR so it's down to price and availability. Let me know if you find anything good as I'd be interested.

What I have found so far ( 1 month in):
Lke any amp ( x100) it takes time to get used to it. I've found it so much clearer than a "normal" amp and reacts slightly different
Through a guitar cab, the overdrive sounds can sound similar and difficult to nail what you want
Sounds change at volume ( due to ears and Cab)
Playing with a band sounds different then on your own ( same as with any other amp) so you need to fiddle at volume
The tone controls ( and other controls) are very responsive but you need to start with a good profile
You get profile "blind" with so much choce that you end up not knowing what sounds good - ask others in you band etc!
The chaps on here are VERY helpful and VERY patient

I am sticking with it becuase I am 80% there with my sounds but I can't get over the versatility! It does everything in a compact package and that to me is worth it already, making it the most incredible peice of kit. So I am sticking with it to find "that" sound as I know it's there. I also think it's better on higher gain sounds, especially with the bass response...really thumps!

I am in Derby so not too far away if I can be of any help ( suspect I can't yet!).

I don't have an FRFR but just experimenting with going through a PA. Not been successful yet manly due to my incompetence but keep the updates coming!!

markboy - enjoy those yamahas