KIPR Tag Editor

trebie · November 12, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Hi Gianfranco,

I don't know the reason. I assume depending on your system configuration the Python installer is downloading required packets. To make sure you have got the original unmodified Python installer you should verify the MD5 checksum of the downloaded file or download and verify the signed file. See detailed Python 2.7.6 page.

Instead of the installer you could download the source tarball and compile yourself (not supported for Windows).

viabcroce · November 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Thanks trebie, Windows user here.

I'm very strict when it comes to security and privacy.
I usually suspect about apps doing things "under the UI" w/o warning the user. It was my firewall that warned me about the operation. I don't want they to perform weird tasks, check my files, install stuff I'm not aware of and the like. Unless I can find an official page stating that this is normal and specifying what the app actually does.
I'll check if I can come across something.

Thanks for your time, for now python will stay away from my system I'm afraid

DigitalBliss · November 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Gotta say I'm w/ viabcroce on this one. I've been burned so many times w/ Windows alowing things I don't want it to do, that I have taken a minimalist approach as well. Gotta pass for now.

meambobbo · November 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Python is the least of your worries, especially if you verify the checksum. If you are really concerned about security, delete every trace of Java from your machine. At the very least, disable the Java browser plugins. And don't use Internet Explorer. I use Firefox with NoScript blocking all Javascript unless I allow the domain.

meambobbo · November 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

FWIW, I bet the Python Installer is just trying to check for updates. If you block the attempt, does the installer continue? I don't think the Python runtime will ask for internet access, unless whatever Python app you run is asking.

trebie · November 13, 2013 at 12:17 AM

Gianfranco,
I can understand your concerns. Downloading open source and community developed Python from the official web site (http://www.python.org/) and verifying the checksum or signature should give you more confidence than the average Windows program can offer. If you prefer you may use a commercial Python version from ActiveState. Don't know how this would be more secure though.
One of the reasons the Tag Editor(s) are written and released in Python source code is that you don't have to trust us. You can check the program yourself.
Btw.: Did you try to install Python with internet disconnected?

DigitalBliss,
If you are worried about Windows doing things behind your back - run KIPR Tag Editor on Mac OS X or Linux. Python is pre-installed on most of these systems.

Maurizio70 · November 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Hi trebie, have you ever thought to add a feature to handle performance file and easily extract the rigs from those?
This could be also a great stand alone sub-program, is it possible to develop easily such "exe" file that extract from a performance .kipf file 5 .kipr ones???

Thanks for your time...

viabcroce · November 13, 2013 at 12:29 AM

I'm downloading python from the python site, so I'm not afraid I'm downloading something else, but rather that they're trying to do things on/about my PC w/o letting me know, and I don't know what kind of things. I understand this old "user is stupid, let's let him know as few as possible about what's happening here" attitude, but I don't buy it.
I'm installing a specific version I've already d/led, why the hell installer's firs worry should be to check for a newer version, even before saying hallo (LOL)??
Note: when I deny the installer the access to the internet, the installation stops with a weird error report ("the prog version is not meant for this kind of processor"). Why doesn't it explicitly ask for a connection? Bad programming

trebie · November 13, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Gianfranco,
You are right that it's bad behaviour to access the internet without notification.
Concerning the error message: There are two versions of the Windows installer available:

Windows binary
Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 / X86-64 binary

The later will work with 64 bit processors and 64 bit Windows only. Did you download the correct version?

trebie · November 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Maurizio,
I did look into performance files already. Was thinking about a Performance tag editor. Extracting the individual rigs from performance files should be possible. There is only so much time for programming, music and the rest.

viabcroce · November 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Thanks for your help

I had actually d/led the wrong python version from the site. I denied the permission to access the internet, and the installation went on flawlessly.
But, when I launch the program, I got explicit errors related to a denied internet connection: IDLE subprocess Error: Persistent connection denial.

It just seems python won't work if it can't connect... and I just ask myself why the hell a connection is critical to start the environment

trebie · November 14, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Gianfranco,
Is it the same behaviour if you start Python from command line (cmd)?
e.g.:
> c:\Python27\python.exe kipr_tag_editor.py

meambobbo · November 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM

i'm going to test this tonight. I have my eset smart security set to prompt me for any application attempting to access the net, and I don't remember it prompting me either during python install or when opening the tag editor. I downloaded the windows binary for x64.

meambobbo · November 14, 2013 at 3:36 AM

so i didn't have the prompt on for my laptop, so i am not sure if eset (anti-virus/firewall) allowed a connection or not (edit: during the python installation). i switched to complete interactive mode, and loaded the tag editor - no requests to communicate.

viabcroce · November 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Mhhh... any conclusion from this? I'm perplex. Maybe depending on the OS (XP SP3 here) python needs to find some other library or the like...

webdiver · November 20, 2013 at 4:09 PM

trebie Thank you very much for this impressive work you have done, and thank you for sharing with the community!!
Very much appreciated.

I love the additional features of the new version to handle and create backup files. Also, the batch processing is a very handy tool.

Please keep up the great work!

Soundcheckers · October 13, 2015 at 1:34 AM

Been trying to find the kpa tag editor but "gitorious" seems to have disappeared?
Anyone have an active link to a download,? or better yet, can anyone help me out and send it to me?
Thanks in advance!

paults · October 13, 2015 at 5:50 AM

Quote from Soundcheckers

Been trying to find the kpa tag editor but "gitorious" seems to have disappeared?
Anyone have an active link to a download,? or better yet, can anyone help me out and send it to me?
Thanks in advance!

The Tag Editor disappeared because it became out of date - it would not work with current Rigs.

BUT - you can easily edit Rig Tags in Rig Manager

dhodgson · October 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM

Ah, but I would so love it if this tool was updated. I used to routinely run it over my folder collections of .kipr's to generate detailed eagle-eye view spreadsheets that I could stash along with those folders for perusal. So convenient!

waraba · October 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM

No pb for the update since the tool is open sourced , we only used open source parts as far as I remember.

Now it's just a matter of finding the right volunteers , who's next ?

W