when a couple days turns into a couple months... its a joke... no excuses...
Rig Manager 3.0 Editor
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January 25, 2019 at 10:00 AM -
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grotesque and a bit of shameful situation..........
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Well those drifter's days are past me now
I've got so much more to think about
Deadlines and commitments
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when a couple days turns into a couple months... its a joke... no excuses...
Meh. Software isn’t the problem. Has to be the firmware. Which is far more important (and difficult) than anyone admits.
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Well those drifter's days are past me now
I've got so much more to think about
Deadlines and commitments
What to leave in, what to leave out...Wow.....the song was playing on the radio as I was reading your post......I'll go buy a lottery ticket.....
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If I had a choice in the matter, Id rather have a NON-Buggy Editor. AS Always, YMMV.
I don't really get what you're saying - the entire premise of alpha & beta testing is that those who are willing to put up with things that are buggy can do, and anyone like yourself can wait until the full release. That way every one is happy. I wasn't syaing they should never complete the project to a high, bug-free standard.
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Earlier this year we were shown a demo and what they were working on. People leap to the concept that "its nearly ready". A substantial percentage of the time in coding is to make it "industrialised", i.e. robust, scalable and suitable for full release, through the testing cycle in particular.
Go to a car show and look at manufacturers concept/new cars and its way more vague than we have had.
They gave us a target date of the Summer, I don't remember a promise. We have had updates since saying its taking longer than expected. In the past people have moaned about no visibility of what they are working on. Unusually ( I've not seen this with other releases) we have had some updates and they still get a kicking. I suspect we won;t get more frequent debates as it will open up peoples expectation for 2 way dialogue on the internal workings of Kemper.
I remember much of the early discussions on an Editor and frankly its wasn't seen as a big request behind the other needs, it now seems to have become life or death for some people ( exaggeration for effect).
Few "must" have an editor.
Most want an Editor, some more than others - this has changed the bias for some people with the Stage. There is no debate here.
So, please keep some context here, although this is just retrospective on it. Others will feel differently.
Can we get back to the jokes as that way more fun!
I don't think that is a fair comparison at all; concpect cars are made with no definitive expectation they will ever come out, its more like when manufacturer unveil their cars, and at the moment they usually are seen on the road a month or two later. And also cars take infitive more time to design. But okay, yeah I get your point.
Nevertheless, kemper does NEED an editor, because all the competion has one. Some people seem to be suggesting that anyone asking for an editor are being entitled (or things along those lines). I just don't think that's true, everyone asking is doing so becasue the LOVE the kemper so much and they want it to be as good as possible, and if they see the helix has one, they think they should have it too.
I came from an Axe-fx about a year ago, and one of the reasons that finally pushged me over the edge to convert (other than obv. the amazing sound) was they were finally going to add an editor, as well as they were adding more complex reverbs and effects. As someone who bought an Kemper in 2019, it felt really compromised and kinda out-dated that it didn't have one. The screen is tiny acompared to Axe 3, low res and non-colour. I think of all the modellers/profilers out there, the kemper needs it the most - Especially the pedal version. I don't know how they could launch that without an editor, imo that's crazy.
Also, judging by the size of this thread, I think its fair to say there is a lot of demand. and yeah your right, I don't think there was a promise, but no release date is ever a promise, and people are still going to get bothered when it doesn't arrive when they said it would.
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I don't really get what you're saying - the entire premise of alpha & beta testing is that those who are willing to put up with things that are buggy can do, and anyone like yourself can wait until the full release. That way every one is happy. I wasn't syaing they should never complete the project to a high, bug-free standard.
They never stated up front that we were to be beta testers to begin with. Had they done this then your point would be valid. Obviously we will be beta testers anyway but I don't believe this will be by design. And yes, Id rather have a non-buggy Editor to begin with. Thats what Im saying and its a fairly simple concept. In other words I can wait a bit. So you want a date for when I will become like you and want to become a "beta" tester? Alright, winter Namm, slated to be on January 16-19 in Southern Cali. I expect it (pure speculation) to be out before Christmas 2019 however.
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I don't really get what you're saying - the entire premise of alpha & beta testing is that those who are willing to put up with things that are buggy can do, and anyone like yourself can wait until the full release. That way every one is happy. I wasn't syaing they should never complete the project to a high, bug-free standard.
The bugs aren’t in the editor. They’ve (repeatedly) said that’s done.
It’s under-the-hood bugs they’re working out. Even if the editor is what's causing them problems, what's the point of an alpha/beta test? Publicizing problems they're already aware of? -
I love that Kemper continues to release new software and updates when they don't need to. I appreciate this. At the same time, it feels like a tease and is frustrating when they showed us this last January.
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Also, judging by the size of this thread, I think its fair to say there is a lot of demand. and yeah your right, I don't think there was a promise, but no release date is ever a promise, and people are still going to get bothered when it doesn't arrive when they said it would.
That would be misleading. It’s mostly 6 guys going back and forth about why it’s not needed, and why it is. Mostly content free. Of course it’s just passing time while the editor slowly weeps.
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It's coming!!!
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"It’s mostly 6 guys going back and forth about why it’s not needed, and why it is."
i really enjoy this thread.
if somebody needs something then these needs are i guess needed?
i also think the editor is really needed judging by the size and the demand here on this thread and elsewhere.
before i used kemper "in my studio" i was using amplitube and gtr and guitar rig.
apart from these apps draining my resources i was very frustrated in tweaking a guitar sound on my mouse. it just felt very unmusical so from that experience i believe that i personally wont gain anything from an editor,but i could also be completly wrong? maybe there will be features i am not foreseeing right now so i feel a bit excited to see what happens .
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I guess that i need it, 'cause my arms are so heavy after 30 minutes setting the kemper unit at arms length.
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I guess that i need it, 'cause my arms are so heavy after 30 minutes setting the kemper unit at arms length.
You are assuming that we all have a reasonable ability to set our Kempers at arms length.
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I guess that i need it, 'cause my arms are so heavy after 30 minutes setting the kemper unit at arms length.
Well, yes of course they are.... We all the same age, have a beard, own a VW and have our Kemper's at arms length, on the same kind of desk, with the same profiles in each. We all live in a yellow submarine... EVERYBODY SING!!!!
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Just posting to help turn this into a truly Epic thread, not that it has any chance of running out, And
to mention It's December now! .........................Hey Isn't that close to X-mas ?
what was it that we're waiting for ?
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Hi,
Any update on the release date and features?
Cheers
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Hi,
Any update on the release date and features?
Cheers
Nope
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Come on G String,,,,,,,,,,,, It's the Holiday Season, at least give us a tease! "All I want for Christmas is a KPA editor". I tried Santa but he said to talk to G String
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