Restore master volume?

Pos · February 20, 2016 at 5:02 PM

I'm recording rhythm guitars for an EP. While testing some other rigs I changed the master volume because of their higher volume. Now when I'm switching back to the rigs I used for rhythm guitars, the volume has changed from the last time I used it? So, I guess that the master volume is not saved in the rig. Is there any way that I can get back exactly the same master volume or am I screwed here?

It's very important for me to get exactly the same volume on all rhythm guitars, otherwise the mix will be a pain.

Ingolf · February 20, 2016 at 5:46 PM

How are you connected to your recording device?
I always make sure to always send out a constant volume i determine in the output menu.
And therefore I always unlink the master volume knob from my main outputs.
Did you do that?
If not you're still not screwed.
Apart from that, when turning the master volume knob it will show the last setting it was set to when the unit was booted in brackets.
HTH

paults · February 20, 2016 at 5:56 PM

If you can't get back to the same Master Volume setting (because you have already changed it again, or turned the KPA off since noticing), you can do this to make mixing easier:

Create a rhythm guitar mix buss.

Record the new rhythm guitars parts (or overdubs) to separate tracks from the original tracks.

Send all the rhythm guitars to the rhythm guitar mix buss.

Volume balance the rhythm guitar tracks.

When mixing, use the rhythm guitar mix buss as a "one fader" control for all those tracks..

Pos · February 20, 2016 at 8:53 PM

Quote from Ingolf

How are you connected to your recording device?
I always make sure to always send out a constant volume i determine in the output menu.
And therefore I always unlink the master volume knob from my main outputs.
Did you do that?
If not you're still not screwed.
Apart from that, when turning the master volume knob it will show the last setting it was set to when the unit was booted in brackets.
HTH

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I read about it and I have now unlinked the master volume from main output...should have done this earlier. And yeah, I noticed that it showed the "boot volume", saw this after I rebooted though so it didn't make any difference for me.

But the output volume is not in any way saved in the rig? Or is there some kind of log that shows what output volume I used or something? I have manually restored almost the exact same volume, but the perfectionist in me will not be satisfied unless I know the exact value

Quote from paults

If you can't get back to the same Master Volume setting (because you have already changed it again, or turned the KPA off since noticing), you can do this to make mixing easier:

Create a rhythm guitar mix buss.

Record the new rhythm guitars parts (or overdubs) to separate tracks from the original tracks.

Send all the rhythm guitars to the rhythm guitar mix buss.

Volume balance the rhythm guitar tracks.

When mixing, use the rhythm guitar mix buss as a "one fader" control for all those tracks..

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I think I have managed to restore the same volume (at least close enough), but thank you anyway!

Ingolf · February 20, 2016 at 10:40 PM

@Pos: The master volume indeed is not stored with the rig, by design.

viabcroce · February 21, 2016 at 2:23 AM

Yep, MV relates to the interface between the pre and the poweramp\DAW. Use the Volume knob to change a rig's volume.
Also, when recording a complex project I save the rigs I use in oneormore Performances, so that I can tweak and resave them w\o affecting the original rigs.

Kemper Support #1 · February 21, 2016 at 10:05 AM

Settings in the output menu are global and not tied to a specific rig.

Pos · February 21, 2016 at 10:25 AM

Thank you all for your help.

archverb · February 21, 2016 at 10:40 AM

Does the Master Volume control on Kemper impact the bit resolution sent to the DAC?

Thanks

Ingolf · February 21, 2016 at 10:56 AM

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Does the Master Volume control on Kemper impact the bit resolution sent to the DAC?

Thanks

I understand the Master Volume is after the DAC, so the answer would be no.

archverb · February 21, 2016 at 3:05 PM

Then the Master Vol. intervenes in the analog stage of the signal! Good news

DanielMoreira · February 21, 2016 at 3:46 PM

I have my master always on 5.0 if i need to change wich is rare, I always know where to return

viabcroce · February 21, 2016 at 6:46 PM

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Then the Master Vol. intervenes in the analog stage of the signal! Good news

Actually, this is what we have been thinking till now. But there has been a recent thread where this idea was put in discussion. A word from Kemper would definitively solve the issue...

archverb · February 21, 2016 at 8:19 PM

Quote from viabcroce

Actually, this is what we have been thinking till now. But there has been a recent thread where this idea was put in discussion. A word from Kemper would definitively solve the issue...

Ah... ok, grazie Gianfranco!
Infact it would be very useful if we were certain about this