Line6 with HX Stomp : hold my beer.
Do they really expect Kemper to sell something with 90% of the stage features at 50% of the price? That would be a stupid decision that would destroy stage sales.
Profiler OS 11.1 Beta Thread (Player Upgrade Options)
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September 27, 2024 at 11:08 AM -
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Line6 with HX Stomp : hold my beer.
Except the Stomp doesn’t have *nearly* the processing power of the larger units.
The Player’s is identical. -
Line6 with HX Stomp : hold my beer.
The HX Stomp does not sound and feel like a Kemper...
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Well the paid updates are something that is already developed. So why charge this again? I could live with a freeze of the current status featurewise and pay the 700€. In comparison to other products there is no profiling, no display and only three footswitches. I think this alone justifies its cheap prize.
In my opinion charge KPP-owners for really new stuff like slicer etc.. That would be a fair deal in my opinion. Still Steinberg offers discount for upgrades once you are a loyal customer. I would expect Kemper the same. I have the features in my rack and technically the KPP could do the same …
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Except the Stomp doesn’t have *nearly* the processing power of the larger units.
The Player’s is identical.I'm not an electronic engineer and don't mind about what is inside..... I personnaly watch features and possibilities ;
L6 purposes ;
- The same FXs/ Amp/cab sims in the HX
- Snapshots (for me = to Morph)
- Same number of blocks as a Kemper Stage (and you can move them before or post stack)
- You can still have // path
Even if the number of blocks are reduced comparing to Helix LT/Floor, it would be enough for my needs and i could copy/paste all my rigs (preset) from a device to another one....
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The HX Stomp does not sound and feel like a Kemper...
Unfortunately, NO, you're right, the reason i agreed to pay more for a kemper but the gap with those paid upgrades start becoming a chasm.....
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I'm not an electronic engineer and don't mind about what is inside..... I personnaly watch features and possibilities ;
L6 purposes ;
- The same FXs/ Amp/cab sims in the HX
- Snapshots (for me = to Morph)
- Same number of blocks as a Kemper Stage (and you can move them before or post stack)
- You can still have // path
Even if the number of blocks are reduced comparing to Helix LT/Floor, it would be enough for my needs and i could copy/paste all my rigs (preset) from a device to another one....
The Stomp can’t do nearly as much as its big brothers. It is cheaper - and limited. In a different way to the Player, but limited all the same.
If it fits, great. If not - that’s why choices exist.
I think it’s disingenuous to ask a company to sell a unit at less than half the cost of their others and expect it to have equal capacity for sound creation.
I think new users are going to look at $1,000 for a pedal-sized, full-featured unit sans Profiling, which most don’t care about, and love the idea. It’s not cheap. Neither is an H90, which is $900 and doesn’t do much of anything in comparison to a Level 3 Player. -
I think it’s disingenuous to ask a company to sell a unit at less than half the cost of their others and expect it to have equal capacity for sound creation.
I think it's especially aberrant to ask customers to pay 40% of the price you asked just 7 months before.
I really feel like I'm being held hostage.
C.K. announced quickly that there will probably be paid upgrades but he could announce that it would be far from trivial and that the price surplus would be surely important.....
Bad surprise, bad day, bad disappointement....
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I think it's especially aberrant to ask customers to pay 40% of the price you asked just 7 months before.
I really feel like I'm being held hostage.
C.K. announced quickly that there will probably be paid upgrades but he could announce that it would be far from trivial and that the price surplus would be surely important.....
Bad surprise, bad day, bad disappointement....
To each their own.
If the unit wasn’t enough for people at launch (which it wasn’t for me), then wait. Assuming the cost would be a third of what it is and buying in seems incongruent with past units.The H9 Core was $399. To max was $220 more to unlock what was already there. A 55% additional cost.
$300 to max a Player? Cheap? No. But cheap in comparison to functionality gained.
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I think it's especially aberrant to ask customers to pay 40% of the price you asked just 7 months before.
I really feel like I'm being held hostage.
What? So you bought this device not because it already answered your needs but because potentially, maybe, probably in the future, most likely it could answer your needs if theoretically, potentially, in some future, most likely, probably Kemper decided to give full upgrade away for cheap or better for free? Looks like you jumped the gun a bit with your purchase and feel disappointed (which I understand and sympathize - I have my fair share of past purchases which fall into this category as well - I guess everyone has
) - but, I would argue, this is not really Kemper's fault.You are asked to pay 40% for taking Player to Stage-level software-wise - which is hell-lot of new functionality that original player never had and probably will never have at Level I.
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What? So you bought this device not because it already answered your needs but because potentially, maybe, probably in the future, most likely it could answer your needs if theoretically, potentially, in some future, most likely, probably Kemper decided to give full upgrade away for cheap or better for free?
As you can see, excessive optimism doesn't always help in life. I have just one complaint... 300 Euros is a fair price for a company, but as the comments suggest, it's unacceptable for many. The market will decide who's right.
