Looper is working through MIDI, KPA Team made it available in 3.0.2 Public Beta:)(UPDATED 26.03.2015)

Hi.
I've start searching of a looper MIDI messages after some user post: who accidentaly activated it in FW 2.6.0:
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.ph…blem-with-midi/

I believed there is a magical MIDI message that activate the LOOP recording an playing.

You can read some of the story here:

http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.ph…ches/?pageNo=1&

I began searching with web Jazz Plugin - based on simple html script that loop trough start NRPN to end NRPN messages sending to them 1 and 0.
I'm mostly home/bedroom player and i don't know if I need a Remote ( which is a fine piece of gear nicely integrated with KPA) to play in my home.

Peto helped me to search trough a lot of NRPN messages .

AND WE HAVE FOUND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's working on FW <3.0 Public Beta

It's working like a charm:) No latencies:) at the moment we are searching for other looper buttons/functions- but maybe the next NRPN commands will do.

Sean made a nice demo video using Liquid Foot+ Controller (thanks for this;) .

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http://youtu.be/-mxsvNjQV1o

UPDATE : Maybe two words about our intentions (I will quote Peto because its also my feelings - and My English is terrible):

Quote from Peto

There is no reason for bad feelings here and/or accuse Kemper
They only chose, to make Looper with Advanced functions and for those functions they needed own controller. With Remote you can do extra tasks with "press&hold" buttons. I am sure, not all of generic MIDI controllers can do this. They decided to give Remote users the best possible experience from looper. We could discuss here, if 30s are enough for best possible experience, but that is not what I am talking here. i talk about control of the looper. But many of us don't need best possible experience with 6 buttons, leds and display. That's the message we are trying to carry.

So please don't make flame in this thread.

So here is the info:

UPDATE:
Thanks to Peto hard work you can test basic looper functions(see attachment):

Quote from Peto

I
made MIDI converter from CCs to NRPNs. I tried to mimic Remote
functions as much as possible by implementing simple state machine into
script.
Only single press functions are working. I think this is good proof that it works with MIDI as a basic looper.

It does these functions, all on CC#34, values 0-5:
RECORD / PLAY / OVERDUB
STOP / 3x to DELETE
UNDO / REDO
TRIGGER
REVERSE
1/2 TIME

I attached .html page, which everyone can open. You will need Jazz plugin. If you don't have it, the page will give you link to download
it.

I am curious how many of you will try it. With Damian, we spent some time finding this out.

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You have to install Jazz Plugin from here:
http://jazz-soft.net/download/Jazz-Plugin

The sad news is : with new official FW 3.0 posted today Looper is not working anymore
Update 15.03.2015:

We have nice Info from CK and Timo:)

Quote from ckemper

We
have made the Looper NRPNs available again in the public beta
3.0.1

Quote from timo

Mea culpa. Indeed, the code for this somehow wasn't
patched to the stable code branch by mistake. It will appear in the
next version, promise.

UPDATE 28.02.2015:

Thank you Christoph for response and explanation:

Quote from ckemper

Thanks for the tremendous interest in the Looper

There are mainly complexity reasons that made us not to support Looper controllers by midi yet.
Beside the missing feedback from the Looper (LEDs, Display) the complexity exists due to the fact that the Looper requires key-on as well as key-off actions, to support the various functions being triggered when a key is held rather than pressed shortly. Many midi pedals do not support easy key off controllers and many users have a hard time to dig into this topic creating a significant support overhead.

We had this issue with the tap button controller that will trigger the Beat Scanner when held. Without the key-off event, the Beat Scanner was triggered by a single strike of the button. We went through a dozen of forum threads handling this single issue.

Without a key-off event, the Looper would always enter the Overdub when terminating the loop end. When you press Stop, the loop will be erased. And so on.

To make the Looper "midi-save" we would have to create an alternative way to control it and optionally a detection, wether key-off events are sent or not. This is not a tweak but a project, that has not been scheduled yet.

Dear KPA team - please make looper
available also for us - who don't need Remote at the moment and still
would like to use Looper function which is apparently present in our
Profilers and is usable also with MIDI. We don't ask much. We don't need
fancy display on Remote to use looper. Simple message about looper
state on KPAs display will be enough for us.

Best Regards
Damian Greda

Quote from kzngr

i think the KPR is a brilliant piece of gear but way too expensive! AND i would have to buy some extra pedals. i already own the behringer fcb1010 and the zoom g9.2tt - they work perfect for me... 500€ for a 30sec looper...?!? i would love to have it included, but if i should decide between a KPR and 2 expression pedals on the floor (cost me 700€) OR my midi footcontroller and f.e. a ditto looper or even the digitech jamman(?) (new cost 100-150, all together 300-400€) it's not that hard to decide...

Remote have some very good features like automatic stomp assignment , display , one cable etc etc ... fully integrated - it's not just a looper . So I don't see any collision to make MIDI loop working again in fw 3.0

Quote from nightlight

It would be great if you or Peto could make a video, Damian! I think that would outweigh anything else we could say in support of this "feature" being continued in future firmware revisions.

Good idea - but I don't have any Midi controller right now. So I'm using html script to send NRPN messages.
If you want to test Looper use Jazz plugin - and attached html page with your MIDI interface.