Ambrosi Amps' K-Power Amps - Retrofit poweramp solutions for the Lunchbox - With pictures & videos

  • If you happen to live in the UK, there will be a very affordable cabinet (and even amplifier) solution available to you in the very near future.

    I will open a new thread about this, since I do not want to hijack this one and I am holding myself back from commenting about musical power supplies and class D ; class A/B statements in this thread very hard already ;) . Tilman


    Please Tilman, go ahead and open the new thread now.
    I'd like to hear your opinion and perspective.
    Also it would be great so hear what's in your pipeline. ;)

  • My question is: What does 'less musical' actually mean? Is it perceivably less good sounding or what?
    Generally I'm seconding @mbenigni for sure: quality over quantity IMO.

    I'll ask Andrea and report back in detail. I don't want to put words in his mouth :)
    The K-Power amp will certainly not sound worse than a class D amp anyway.


    I am holding myself back from commenting about musical power supplies and class D ; class A/B statements in this thread very hard already

    This is not really holding back, is it? :)
    We have a way to say for this in Italy: throwing the stone and hiding the arm :D

    Please Tilman, go ahead and open the new thread now.

    Wholeheartedly seconded :thumbup:

  • I have just heard from Andrea.

    There's the possibility to keep the current layout and technology and have more wattage, specially for those who use 8- or 16-ohm cabs.
    This solution would also easily address the need for a 115 or 230 V mains compatibility.

    For around 20 € more we can have

    32W / 16ohm, 58W / 8ohm, 70W / 4ohm

    against the "old"

    22W / 16ohm, 38W / 8ohm, 68W / 4ohm.

    Other specs remain the same, as well as the original concept and the design.

    Also, note that the 70W / 4ohm datum is quite conservative, there could be around 10-15 W more at that impedance.

    What do you think? :)

  • That "less musical" is old. 10 years ago the class d were not so good for highs and sounded harsh sometimes. The new generation (available since 5 or 6 years) sounds much better. I don't hear a difference between class a/b and d, if the power supply is okay.

    Thank you Marco, that's what I thought as well.
    Still I find it interesting to find out about the way of thinking of the maker of these amps (Andrea, of course). ;)

  • It's not clear that Ambrosi is talking about going to class D anyway. To quote viabcroce:

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    There's the possibility to keep the current layout and technology and have more wattage


    So maybe there's some other tweak he's considering to bump the output?

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    What do you think?


    I think I'd like to know the overall price for a U.S. compatible build, shipped to the U.S... and how soon I can get one! ;)

  • So guys, my last posts have probably generated some confusion, about which I apologize :)

    Here's what's going on:

    After some briefing, Andrea decided to produce a first batch of all-analog amps like the prototype.
    In the prototype, the excellent amp section (by National) was oversized respect to the transformer (i.e., it can be driven by a much higher voltage than the prototype's transformer can supply in its linear window). Now he's found a different transformer (still of the traditional, non-switching type) able to supply higher voltages, so he can squeeze a higher wattage out of the power section.

    As for the "less musical" aspect, that was related to one of the options taken into consideration: to mount a switching transformer. He thinks that you need an above-the-average quality in order for the high freqs generated by a switching transformer (several tens of kHz in this application) and their subharmonics to not bleed through the power section if not properly filtered by design. Or, as I got it, you'd need a more robust filtering section in the amp, which would lead to other issues.

    In the end, we agreed that the new more performing traditional transformer (same weight as the prototype) he's found is more philological to the original design and goal, which was to supply a robust, well-made, good-sounding, not expensive "small" amp to retrofit the Profiler.

    So basically nothing has changed, except for a couple of bucks more and more watts to drive our cabs.
    Furthermore, with this new transformer the K-Power Amp will be available @ 115 V at no extra cost.

    PS: Andrea just told me that the laser-made labels have been printed by the service. Now he is looking for the best aluminium plates, and seeing if they can supply them in different colours. DADA's, Waraba's and Pick's Ferrari red is still a chased option :thumbup:

    Edited once, last by viabcroce (December 17, 2014 at 11:05 PM).

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    He thinks that you need an above-the-average quality in order for the high freqs generated by a switching transformer (several tens of kHz in this application) and their subharmonics to not bleed through the power section if not properly filtered by design. Or, as I got it, you'd need a more robust filtering section in the amp, which would lead to other issues.


    I can't speak to the technical or quantitative angles here, but avoiding noise is always better than introducing noise and then filtering downstream. Less is more.

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    So basically nothing has changed, except for a couple of bucks more and more watts to drive our cabs.
    Furthermore, with this new transformer the K-Power Amp will be available @ 115 V at no extra cost.


    Fantastic. I hope these are actually affordable by the time exchange rates, shipping costs, etc. are all accounted for.

  • This question has probably been asked but are these units available now to order?

    Hey, I'd not be surprised if the first units left the house around 2Nd-3Rd quarter of January :)


    I can't speak to the technical or quantitative angles here, but avoiding noise is always better than introducing noise and then filtering downstream. Less is more.

    Oh, do not take me wrong, switching transformers all work in high frequency. The generation of ultrasonic signals is intrinsic to the technology if I got it right. A good transformer is well filtered to prevent to output unwanted noise, or you have to use good filters downstream the transformer. It's not really an issue, but just a characteristic, such as the need for an anti-aliasing filter in a converter.

    :)


    Fantastic. I hope these are actually affordable by the time exchange rates, shipping costs, etc. are all accounted for.

    I'm guessing around 280 US$ plus delivery. But I'm not the one who sails the boat :D

    Edited once, last by viabcroce (December 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM).

  • Awesome news.
    As for the colour of the plate, green on red (or vice versa) is always a bit disturbing to me, as green doesn't mingle well with other colours.
    It's like Ferrari-Red over British Racing Green, urrgh!
    Isn't something greenish for the plate also an option?

  • Awesome news.
    As for the colour of the plate, green on red (or vice versa) is always a bit disturbing to me, as green doesn't mingle well with other colours.
    It's like Ferrari-Red over British Racing Green, urrgh!
    Isn't something greenish for the plate also an option?

    Hey Ingolf, I hope that your wife just didn't buy this kit for Xmas:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/Sexy-…2229007505.html


    :D

  • Hey Ingolf, I hope that your wife just didn't buy this kit for Xmas:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/Sexy-…2229007505.html


    :D

    Awesome! :D
    My wife could wear anything and still would look extraordinarily great!
    That said, maybe green- red is not so bad after all... :whistling:

  • PLease let me know when it is available , & keep adding videos, thank you , roger

    Well, TBH the remaining footage was just me noodling, but the sound quality we got was, as I said, not even near to what we were hearing in the room (as Lance pointed out, we know how the Profiler sounds, and the published videos did not certainly make it justice).
    Considering that this material would go onto YT and have a global visibility, I prefer to avoid the usual "my POD sounds better" or "the Axe blows this crap out of the water" comments :cursing:

    But we might consider using real mics and shoot some more.

    :)


    Nice to see this moving forward
    Next year the 1U stereo version?


    Uh, really don't know. The K-PA makes sense in itself because it responds to a need, but as Tillman pointed out there are so many other amps here around.
    I guess it would depend on how sales go.
    Let's see what happens :)


    Awesome news.
    As for the colour of the plate, green on red (or vice versa) is always a bit disturbing to me, as green doesn't mingle well with other colours.
    It's like Ferrari-Red over British Racing Green, urrgh!
    Isn't something greenish for the plate also an option?

    There will certainly be the basic model available first. Since the production is completely hand-made, a coloured plate might be an extra-option for some special request, but nothing more IMO :)