Extreme Metal Profile Pack (request)

Hannes_ITS · January 25, 2014 at 4:24 PM

First of all - thanks to all the profilers who create great metal packs! That is highly appreciated and I have found some gems in there.
Second thing - this is just a question, request or whatever you wanna call that and I do realize there aren´t many of us (extreme metal guys) in this forum.

With that being said - do any of you commercial profilers (besides Shain, from whom I know he wants to make a mesa pack) plan on doing one of those or might be willing to make one if you have nothing else to profile (unlikely but asking doesn´t hurt right?)?

Obviously there are loads and loads of great metal profiles out there but only a select few really work with the extreme metal areas such as death metal (and all the little subgenres). I´d just love to see (and have) a pack that is fully dedicated to that area and features different rigs, sounds and just characteristics of said area created by a professional studio person/engineer/human.
And yes I know you can always tweak a rig to get close to that sound but then again we all know that the more you tweak something the less it feels "real" (at least for me and a lot of other people I talked with)

So this post should be seen as a "hi there, there is demand for such a pack out there" statement rather than a "give me more rigs" statement.

Below is now a list of youtube clips with examples if you´re actually intrested in what I´m talking about here(obviously I can´t post everything, but you´ll hopefully get what I mean with "extreme metal sound"):

Cheers and thanks for reading this at least!

laardi · January 25, 2014 at 4:52 PM

This is a great idea! I am not too familiar with many of these subgenres, but I would like to understand how these "muddy" and "ugly" tones are created

Does it require certain pickups, stomps, amps, cabs, mics etc? If these sounds are based on the usual stuff (say, emg-81, boss hm-2, 5150 ...) then it might be possible to tweak some of the existing rigs. No?

Edit: oh, tweaking mentioned in the OP. Apparently I didn't read it properly

Hannes_ITS · January 25, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Quote from laardi

This is a great idea! I am not too familiar with many of these subgenres, but I would like to understand how these "muddy" and "ugly" tones are created

Does it require certain pickups, stomps, amps, cabs, mics etc? If these sounds are based on the usual stuff (say, emg-81, boss hm-2, 5150 ...) then it might be possible to tweak some of the existing rigs. No?

These sounds are based on the usual stuff (at least as far as I know from watching studio videos and talking with friends in other bands about it). Tweaking was my first thought too but after spending hours with tweaking a LOT of profiles I haven´t found many rigs that still sound natural. If I had a lot of experience with recording and micing amps and overall just studio-stuff I´d love to create pack myself, but sadly I don´t, so thats why I wrote the request.

DonPetersen · January 25, 2014 at 5:17 PM

hey,

here's one way to get a Visceral Disgorge tone:

start from the Mago - 6505+ Red3 profile
gain to max (let's not kid ourselves)

post amp -> two Studio EQs

first Studio EQ:
Low Gain -18dB
Low Freq 20.6Hz (lowest setting

High Gain -18dB
High Freq 33488.1 (highest setting)

Mid1 Gain -18dB (bass cut)
Mid1 Freq 44.5Hz
Mid1 Q 0.9

Mid2 Gain -7,1dB (mid scoop 1)
Mid2 Freq 554.1Hz
Mid2 Q 1,440

second Studio EQ
Mid1 Gain -3,5dB (mid scoop 2)
Mid1 Freq 782.6Hz
Mid1 Q 0,42

Mid2 Gain +2.8dB (adds an edge)
Mid2 Freq 2742,3Hz
Mid2 Q 4,981

Hannes_ITS · January 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Quote from DonPetersen

hey,

here's one way to get a Visceral Disgorge tone:

start from the Mago - 6505+ Red3 profile
gain to max (let's not kid ourselves)

post amp -> two Studio EQs

first Studio EQ:
Low Gain -18dB
Low Freq 20.6Hz (lowest setting

High Gain -18dB
High Freq 33488.1 (highest setting)

Mid1 Gain -18dB (bass cut)
Mid1 Freq 44.5Hz
Mid1 Q 0.9

Mid2 Gain -7,1dB (mid scoop 1)
Mid2 Freq 554.1Hz
Mid2 Q 1,440

second Studio EQ
Mid1 Gain -3,5dB (mid scoop 2)
Mid1 Freq 782.6Hz
Mid1 Q 0,42

Mid2 Gain +2.8dB (adds an edge)
Mid2 Freq 2742,3Hz
Mid2 Q 4,981

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Now thats what I call a detailed description

Gonna try that asap, thanks a lot!

janus · January 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM

JESUS! THAT Profile with THESE settings...must sound like...(i don´t know, in franconia we call it a "Flex").
Thank´s el Don for these settings!

DonPetersen · January 25, 2014 at 6:38 PM

a short exsample with the rig 'raw' and with the above eq settings

https://soundcloud.com/kemperprofilin…ed3-profile-raw

Hannes_ITS · January 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Quote from DonPetersen

a short exsample with the rig 'raw' and with the above eq settings

https://soundcloud.com/kemperprofilin…ed3-profile-raw

This really does come quite close. However the original rig is one of the best rigs for that kind of metal to begin with

fenixdoido · January 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

https://soundcloud.com/fenixdoido/kemper-dual-recto-arthurd

This will be avaliable for free. I'm on vacation now (beach). I had some personal problems before, so I postponed the wesite a bit.
Cheers

fenixdoido · January 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM

BTW some videos tones you posted are boss HM tone =)

Hannes_ITS · January 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Quote from fenixdoido

https://soundcloud.com/fenixdoido/kemper-dual-recto-arthurd

This will be avaliable for free. I'm on vacation now (beach). I had some personal problems before, so I postponed the wesite a bit.
Cheers

Awesome man. Can´t wait for your profile pack, I have a feeling you might deliver some great tones there

HELL-G · January 28, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Hannes, this a great idea and a very sick playlist! I fear i'll get lost on YT clicking from one vid to another. Excellent way to lose some time. Thanks for the request and for sharing.

Raoul23 · January 28, 2014 at 10:42 PM

I'm not a metal player but some great tones and ways of getting these tones thanks guys

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crankyrayhanky · January 28, 2014 at 10:44 PM

I don't think crazy hi gain is the answer, especially on those first few clips. I hear some Diezel, old Recto, and 5150-ish tones.. There's a lot more clarity & quality than I was expecting- these death metal guitarists are often super skilled!

Hannes_ITS · January 29, 2014 at 8:29 AM

Quote from crankyrayhanky

I don't think crazy hi gain is the answer, especially on those first few clips. I hear some Diezel, old Recto, and 5150-ish tones.. There's a lot more clarity & quality than I was expecting- these death metal guitarists are often super skilled!

Yeah exactly. Thats why I´d love to see a pack thats dedicated to these kind of sounds. There are a lot of characteristic tones in this subgenre and It would be awesome to have some of them in one pack

Mago · January 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM

haha funny to see you trying to get there with the red 03 peavey profile...I haven't actually noodled around with that one at all myself!

But I'd second fenixdoido (cheers dude btw!) that you'd be happy with a HM2, if you haven't got one already.
I don't own one, so I don't know how well the kemper would handle a HM2 in the chain while profiling.
And even if profiling wouldnt be too great with it, you can still put it in front of a Dual Recto/5150ish/Jcm800 into a recto cab or Marshall (both v30 or t75) and see where it gets you.

Hannes_ITS · January 30, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Quote from Mago

haha funny to see you trying to get there with the red 03 peavey profile...I haven't actually noodled around with that one at all myself!

But I'd second fenixdoido (cheers dude btw!) that you'd be happy with a HM2, if you haven't got one already.
I don't own one, so I don't know how well the kemper would handle a HM2 in the chain while profiling.
And even if profiling wouldnt be too great with it, you can still put it in front of a Dual Recto/5150ish/Jcm800 into a recto cab or Marshall (both v30 or t75) and see where it gets you.

Your profile gets me pretty close to that Visceral Disgorge sound. But I gotta say I´m not really a fan of the HM2. Never really brought me close to a really solid sound when I tried it with actual amps.
Also I´m really more intrested in the rather "unusual" sounds from that list.

sinmix · January 31, 2014 at 11:01 AM

I think I might try to do a few profiles that sound, this is a band that I had the opportunity to record and mix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avWLQxgp33c

And maybe something with HM - my another band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2bJNUdghI0

Stay Metal!

Hannes_ITS · February 6, 2014 at 5:13 PM

So I guess no one really feels like doing one of these huh?

Hopefully I might be able to do such a pack myself then somewhere far in the future

kirk · February 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM

you can check out the profile i did
type in the rig exchange search: Spawn of possession