Super WEIRD phase issue when reamping?!? (Solved)

Im assuming your using the same profile (as this wont go out of phase with itself)

Flipping the phase is a bad idea,, as you can hear it trying to null itself. and will never sound pretty.

Now the first one is fine, in phase, but what your hearing is not out of phase, its called Freq Choking. - where set number of freq "unwanted" are clashing. - this can be from a difference impedance from the guitar output & pickups. or unwanted freq in the profile that is causing this.

On the 2nd pass, lower the definition, as its set to high in one of those passes, check your DBu, to see if your clipping at a certain freq band (around 3K)

The profile itself was badly recorded maybe, and actually has single mic phasing issue. therefore when stacked it goes out of phase. (comb filtering)

Try and EQ one of the guitars put a broad dip in the EQ around 2k-4K to see if that tarnished high freq vanishes.

Try listening in mono - then you will hear guitars disappearing in the flipped example

It's not surprising the guitars seem wider with the flipped phase - stereo width is basically a function of the degree to which things are out of phase between the left and right channels.

Try to take a screenshot of all the tracks while zoomed in very closely on them - to the point where you can see only a couple of periods of the waveforms.

EDIT: Also provide a recording where you mute one of the reamps on each side. How many different profiles were used?

Just to be completely clear, what you're talking about is that the signal (in the first file above) seems to more centered - as if not panned completely left/right - than when you flip the phase one the right side, right?

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it gets choked up in the middle.

Again - what does this mean?

And again - were they 4 different profiles?

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The profile itself was badly recorded maybe, and actually has single mic phasing issue. therefore when stacked it goes out of phase. (comb filtering)

Recently I've been running SPDIF and 1/4 into 2 different channels at the same time. I am not sure how much the 1/4 gets colored by my focusrite preamp. But it seems to reveal eq issues right away. Of course this is just to check the eq as I only use SPDIF.

Phase differences can crop up and not be as simple as flipping 180 degrees. There are frequency dependent phase anomalies which are the nature of EQ differences.

Not pimping the IBP as a product but offering that phase issues are not strictly 180 degrees away from resolution or manipulation for tone color.

EQing can introduce phase coloration which is pleasant and also horrid. Linear phase EQ can and can't be a better way to go.

Some issues can be resolved by time alteration. MS EQ's open a wider sense of ambience at specific frequency ranges.
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There's a possibility that constant latency being associated with the unpleasant sound is a hint that the phase issue is a frequency or frequency range and not an across the board time difference.

The sound issue we most associate with wide range frequency misalignment is usually nulled @ 180 phase flipping.

I think, perhaps, you are hearing a stereo correlation that is stacking unpleasantly in the center depending on the phase switch.

I'd be inclined to suggest Mid/Side EQ to resolve the muddiness in the middle by honing in on the frequency issue and reducing it's prominence in the "middle" of the stereo image.

Phase is a deep subject and I'm no expert. I just have learned that it's only part of the sound image manipulation.

Hope this helps point out the simple answer isn't usually simple...

Maybe put solved in the thread title now. Thanks! Glad you got it sorted mate.

Awesome, Ceddy.

You must be relieved, mate!

Thankfully the resolution was a matter of taking a closer look.

It makes sense. Things should disappear from center when there are phase issues - not become more prominent

Also, I can't help but stick this in your face (all in good humour - we've all been there)

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Please dont just assume I dont know about phase issues...

This has happened before, I try to explain a problem, and everybody just assumes I dont know beginners stuff... Please pay close attention to the real issue guys

I've heard a guy who did support on audio setups fix 30% of all issues with the first question, and 50% of all issues with the next one:
1st: "Is everything plugged in correctly?"
2nd: "are you sure?"