Monitor Cab Off on powerhead

    Hello everybody.

    from the manual: "CabDriver makes it possible to separate the Amplifier and Cabinet Profiles of a Studio Profile, and combine them with those chosen from another Rig or Preset. It also allows you to switch off the cabinet simulation (“Monitor Cab Off”) to drive a real physical guitar cabinet."
    that's enough clear.

    this is not so clear then: talking about a setup with a physical guitar cab on stage
    "For this setup, you need to bypass the Cabinet Profile for the MONITOR OUTPUT, so as to avoid running a cabinet simulation through a physical cabinet. The soft button "Monitor Cab Off" in the Output menu will bypass the Cabinet Profile for the MONITOR OUTPUT as well as the built-in power amp of PowerHead and PowerRack, while the Cabinet Profile stays active for the other outputs including the MAIN OUTPUTS. This is a global setting, and thus applied to all Rigs. However, the signal from the MONITOR OUTPUT is processed according to the kind of Profile included in the Rig: for regular Studio Profiles, the CabDriver algorithm is activated, whereas Merged Profiles feed the direct amp sound to the MONITOR OUTPUT and built-in power amp."

    so he's telling that the CAB block is "off" via MOnitorCabOff, BUT the CabDriver is on? what's the meaning of this?
    furthermore, why if i take the CAB button off from a StudioProfile whith a cab plugged and MonitorCabOff activated the sound changes in the guitar cab? would'nt it stay the same, with Monitor Cab Off and CabDriver on, but anyway be the same with CAB block on or off?

    thanks
    bye

    This refers to having the simulated cab on through main outputs but off through your physical cab. This is essential for live use! You don't wanna have a simulated cab being played through your real cab but you of course wanna have that simulated cab on through your main outs which go into the FOH or whatsoever.
    Having the cab off through the main outs would only send the amp to the mixer and this wouldn't sound right. You can easily test this by plugging in a headphone or connect some speakers to the main outs and turn the whole cab block off.

    I hope I got your question right. What is your setup and what do you wanna achieve exactly?

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    Quote from MarcoCultro

    so he's telling that the CAB block is "off" via MOnitorCabOff, BUT the CabDriver is on? what's the meaning of this?

    CabDriver is the computational part of the OS that renders the sound of a rig by calculating how it should sound without cab, it's not a synonym of "Cab": hence your confusion :)

    Note that CabDriver kicks in for Studio profiles only (in which the amp is by definition profiled along with its cab) and not for Merged profiles, where the amp and the cab are profiles in a 2-step procedure which rigorously separates them.

    Hope this clarifies :)

    Quote from 10w73

    This refers to having the simulated cab on through main outputs but off through your physical cab. <span style="text-decoration: underline">This is essential for live use!</span> You don't wanna have a simulated cab being played through your real cab but you of course wanna have that simulated cab on…

    Thank you so much for the welcome :)
    yes, that's what i was asking and now i have digged some more in the manual and forums i clearly understand.
    it remains the problem that ,if you are using the loop on Studio profiles, the moment you'll be switching between profiles while a phrase is looping you can clearly hear the EQ of the looped part change, because of the application of differente CabDrivers algorithms.

    Quote from viabcroce

    Quote from MarcoCultro: “so he's telling that the CAB block is &quot;off&quot; via MOnitorCabOff, BUT the CabDriver is on? what's the meaning of this?”

    CabDriver is the computational part of the OS that renders the sound of a rig by calculating how it should…

    totally understood. i will be using only Direct Profiles - merged cabs to do what i need. it seems the only way around the problem for now.

    It remains "open" the second feature request: a volume for the looper (like in percentage of the original signal) and the possibility to assign to one physical output ONLY the Loop Out, with 0% dry signal, to have a separation between what you're playing over and what's being looped for various usage (even sending in different channels to the FOH or not having the cab "mesed up" by 2-3-4 tracks played at the same time).

    thanks for the answers!

    Quote from viabcroce

    Don't let words fool you, a studio profile can sound gorgeous w\o cab as well, or by swapping cabs. I do it every day. If it sounds good, it's good :)


    sure, but i can't use Studio Profile since it messes up with the looper, applying different cabDrivers algorithm if a loop is going (post) and you change preset. totally USELESS.

    Moreover, another enormous issue of the looper: because there is no volume control i guess they worked with a "intelligent" compression, so if you record ad a volume, let's say 10, the moment you push the playback button the KPA push the volume of the direct dry signal up of something like 4-5 Db, so if you have the loop going and you are playing at the same time the same phrase, because you have to switch preset after you recorded to play another phrase but you need the time to do so, but you don't want to stand still for the whole of a looped phrase like a damn playback/karaoke artist, the volume of the dry (pushed up in volume insanely) plus the wet signal, result in a dramatic volume increase for that loop.

    i repeat, the looper is totally useless as it is now.

    Quote from MarcoCultro

    Moreover, another enormous issue of the looper: because there is no volume control i guess they worked with a "intelligent" compression, so if you record ad a volume, let's say 10, the moment you push the playback button the KPA push the volume of the direct dry signal up of something like 4-5 Db, so if you have the loop going and you are playing at the same time the same phrase, because you have to switch preset after you recorded to play another phrase but you need the time to do so, but you don't want to stand still for the whole of a looped phrase like a damn playback/karaoke artist, the volume of the dry (pushed up in volume insanely) plus the wet signal, result in a dramatic volume increase for that loop.
    i repeat, the looper is totally useless as it is now.


    I think it would be useful if you get in touch with Support directly with your issue.
    And even if it's not solvable immediately they could chew on a solution.