Yamaha DSR112 - Help with settings

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 9:11 AM

Hi, all. The Yamaha DSR112 just arrived today. I have waited for it since last Wednesday. Today, it arrived. I had Guidorist profiles ready and my Les Paul decked with new strings.

First chord came. Dammit. Doesn't sound as good the Rockerverb MKIII I just sold. It was Guidorist's Road Queen profile BTW. Been listening to his profiles' demo on YouTube all last week and I was sure the profiles sounded better on my Xperia Z5 than my Orange did.

What am I doing wrong? Below are what my settings were more or less.

DSR112:

Line Level
D-contour off
Hpf off
Volume: 9 o'clock (half way to peak)
Just used a guitar cable running from left Main of Kemper to connect.

Kemper:

Pure Cab: 5.5
Master Volume: 5
Output: Master Left or Main Mono
I never turned cab simulations off.

Is there a magic button somewhere?

Regards

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM

More details...

On low volume the thing is quite boomy...

heldal · February 16, 2016 at 12:48 PM

I've got stacks of DSRs (118w/115/112) in my PA and have used the DSR112s a lot with the Kemper. It does tend to be boomy as a wedge especially on moderate volume, but sounds excellent on a stick or stacked on top of something in a backline. I have used it as a wedge connected to monitor-out on the Kemper, but find that I have to cut back a bit on the lower frequencies on the monitor-out EQ to make it work. The DSR112 is an excellent FOH top. It packs a serious punch and is IMHO overkill as a monitor. At that price-point you're very close to the cost of a Dynacord AXM 12A or the Atomic CLR which both are more versatile and forgiving wrt placement.

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 2:01 PM

Thanks Heldal. I have read your reply in another thread before.

At the moment, mine is sitting on top of a light small circular coffee table. The sticks are being delivered.

I guess as I'm new to Kemper it would be great if someone can confirm my set-up.

geoffsct · February 16, 2016 at 2:38 PM

I only had a couple of hours with mine before I had to take off. I had the same experience with boomyness and not really getting the sound right at all. I cleaned it up quite a bit I think it was the hpf on the back & then there's another switch back there it seems that cut a lot of the lows. (sorry I'm not much help being away from it). I also improved it quite a bit with the "studio EQ" in the KPA. I still didn't get it quite there so I'll be watching to see when you find that magic button.

TheWolf2103 · February 16, 2016 at 3:00 PM

... had a similar problem using my Line 6 L2t (on the floor) with my KPA ... this made all the difference with regards to getting rid of excessive boom ... not cheap, but well worth it ...

http://www.auralex.com/product/babygramma/

Cheers,
Wolf

deadpan · February 16, 2016 at 3:58 PM

Keep away from corners as well.

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 5:51 PM

Quote from TheWolf2103

... had a similar problem using my Line 6 L2t (on the floor) with my KPA ... this made all the difference with regards to getting rid of excessive boom ... not cheap, but well worth it ...

http://www.auralex.com/product/babygramma/

Cheers,
Wolf

Hey Wolf, the babygrandma is unfortunately not available in Australia.

heldal · February 16, 2016 at 6:09 PM

Quote from KrienDay

At the moment, mine is sitting on top of a light small circular coffee table.

Upright on a sturdy table should be ok if you are sitting in front of the speaker. The tweeter on PA tops isn't designed for great vertical dispersion.

Try to connect monitor-out to the DSR112, compare the sound to what you get in a decent pair of cans and use the EQ on the profilers monitor-out to adjust.

Btw; one thing I forgot above is that the DSR112 needs to have the HPF enabled if you use it as a wedge. That should not be necessary if it is standing upright.

geoffsct · February 16, 2016 at 8:34 PM

I had it upright and the HPF helped a lot. Thanks heldal for the monitor eq tip. Guess I've got quite a bit to learn about the KPA. If I can get it to sound anywhere close through the DSR112 to the headphones I'll be thrilled.

deadpan · February 16, 2016 at 9:33 PM

Love my DSR. Would guess you have your profiles tweaked for the headphones which are usually nowhere near flat. The DSR is fairly flat and super loud. Just a warning. I have developed tinnitis with 2 half hour sessions with this thing full up.

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 9:36 PM

Thanks Heldal. Will tweak some more.

Wonder what Christopher recommends for live powered speakers. Honestly thought the DSR112 was a perfect match.

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 9:41 PM

Quote from deadpan

Love my DSR. Would guess you have your profiles tweaked for the headphones which are usually nowhere near flat. The DSR is fairly flat and super loud. Just a warning. I have developed tinnitis with 2 half hour sessions with this thing full up.

Deadpan. I have not used the Kemper with headphones as I just got it pretty much. To.be honest, I thought a high quality FRFR meant there's no need to adjust as whatever the publisher wants you to hear will be faithfully reproduced. Anyhow, I am using the DSR112 at bedroom volume...maybe that's my problem?

geoffsct · February 16, 2016 at 9:56 PM

Yeah Krien, we're about on the same page. I thought flat would be flat. How do you know if you're hearing the original profile after monkeying with the EQ?

deadpan · February 16, 2016 at 10:32 PM

Yes, at lower volume the highs and lows on profiles made for live will be less.

KrienDay · February 16, 2016 at 11:29 PM

Quote from geoffsct

Yeah Krien, we're about on the same page. I thought flat would be flat. How do you know if you're hearing the original profile after monkeying with the EQ?

Exactly. It so happens also that I am a great tweaker....not haha

Dragonsf · February 25, 2016 at 2:33 AM

I got my baby-gramma yesterday and now my DXR12 gets a tight bass. Thanks for the advice.

geoffsct · February 28, 2016 at 2:52 AM

Quote from Dragonsf

I got my baby-gramma yesterday and now my DXR12 gets a tight bass. Thanks for the advice.

That's interesting. I'll try that on my DSR112. It looks like the type of thing you could make though. Just something to decouple it from the floor.

KrienDay · February 28, 2016 at 10:28 AM

Update.

Kemper sounding very nice now that I've learn to add more mids than noon.

I have also found the profiles I like. Further, I've probably got used to not having amp in the room feel. I now sound just like the records?

geoffsct · February 28, 2016 at 4:32 PM

That's good news Krien. It'll be a couple of weeks till I can get back & mess with mine. People like the DXR so much I figured the DSR has to work at least as well.