Posts by qingtingzhr

Quote from zero71

Take a Stage, subtract the price of a remote as an approx equivalent of the value of the screen, switches, and extra ports, and another £100 for the value of profiling, and you end up at a Player +£100 roughly. And that feels like a fair price point for a fully loaded Player less those features.

I don’t have a Player. I no longer have a Toaster or Stage, though I owned both at some point. I am considering a Kemper again in addition to my FM3. This pricing is steering me to a used Toaster rather than a new Player.

Me too. I made a decision last night not to buy kpp in the future. So now I think the upgrade price is very suitable. Because I am a kps user now. I will not recommend kemper to any friends in the future.

Quote from qingtingzhr

I thought about it again. You are right.

Because I am a kps user, I will not buy kpp in the future.

Quote from ggo_101

I honestly feel like all of this is fueled by greed. Not Kemper their greed, but the greed and entitlement of customers.

Do they really expect Kemper to sell something with 90% of the stage features at 50% of the price? That would be a stupid decision that would destroy stage sales.

I don't see it as a scam that forces us to pay more to get "software already in our product"

It's an option to pay less to avoid the features we don't need because let's be real, if they released the fully unlocked player as the only version it'd be at 1k EUR and a lot of people who own and enjoy using one now would be priced out (including me).

I would've loved a cheaper price as well, 200 for both levels would be ideal to me since I am priced out of the current upgrade package as well. The Kemper player was a big splurge for me, I can't afford 300 EUR for the upgrade in my current financial situation while I do really really want it.

But grow up people. If you look at what you are getting and compare it to all the other options out there, you aren't being ripped off. It's in line with what the others cost or even cheaper.

People are just mad because there is this weird entitlement that hardware should be expensive and software should be cheap. That isn't how it works. In this current day and age software is where the labor and magic happens.

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I thought about it again. You are right.

In fact, what people complain about is that the price is too high. If the price is set at 199 euros, people will not complain anymore. I hope kemper can give some discounts to everyone.

Quote from JCW308

Per Kemper support, the upgrades are NOT linked to your Kemper account. They are linked to each unit somehow.

So unfortunately in my case, I have two Players, so I need to purchase twice, which I think is pretty greedy.

Yes, I have akai mpc live. When I buy the plug-in of akai mpc, it allows me to use it on three different machines.

Quote from StefanErtle

My worst nightmare: slicer package and new trem-fx for 99€. Imagine that. A downgrade in any way.

Don't worry, because these fx haven't been updated yet.

Quote from Casuso

It's not cheap but I prefer they let me choose where I put my money.

I mean, I can keep the unit as is or, upgrade. Instead that, almost any other brand would release a different hardware (i.e. Kemper Player Pro) and the former unit being discontinued, or no more updates.

The key is, if you don't buy the update this time, will you get another free update in the future?

Quote from StefanErtle

Well I think it is. You pay 1.000€ for the features the big ones provide for free and for having to buy a Midi Foot Switch on top. I would rather go for the stage as used piece of gear.

And for all owners of a Rack, Stage and Head: there will be no discount. I already asked in the chat. A pity as I would like to have a full backup.

You also have to buy an iPad or mobile phone to use as a screen.

Quote from ggo_101

Why do people keep comparing new player to second hand stage prices? To make it fair the comparison should be a second hand player compared to a second hand stage

In fact, it is even 100 euros more expensive than the second-hand kpa.

Quote from Pitaorj

I think this prices a crazy high.

It's the same price as a second-hand stage. Fortunately, I didn't buy kpp.I bought kps.Like a lucky dog

How much？

Quote from Ruefus

It was announced at NAMM (Not April...Maybe May)

Maybe May............in 2025

Quote from aehaem

Since I have this wonderful tool, there have been so many updates,

I´ve purchaised my Kemper, to a time where even the performance mode wasn´t available then. It was delivered by an update. So many updates followed since then, sometimes with functions noone ever dreamed about before (e.g. the Morph function) and CK and his team never stopped to advance their product. They found new toys to improve it (Remote, Kabinet/Kone) or added new form factors (Rack, Stage) and even gave in to the desire of many of us and added the player and never stopped to support the Kemper product no#1.

Some time ago (and I mean a long time ago) I thought it was the best purchase i ever had and it can do all i need from an guitar amp/processor and more.

Now it can do so much more and it had become better than I have dreamed (liquid profiling) so for me it is time to say thank you Mr. Kemper!

I will enjoy every new update that will come and I am curious what brilliant ideas will follow, but for me it isn´t self-evident.

This is also the reason why I will choose to join the Kemper camp this year.I am a new user attracted by Kemper's free firmware updates

Quote from dfdfan

The thing is, even if updates stopped today forever, the device as it is now is still one of the best values in the market based solely on sound. It would remain relevant for a long time to come. People still buy Access synths new without hesitation and those haven't received an update in...? When I first purchased the toaster, much of today's functionality was not added yet and it was worth every penny in its core function. All the updates and add-ons since then are just extra gravy. I don't think new sales would drop because of a lack of foreseeable expansion, especially when the price isn't that high to begin with.

You can let Kemper try your idea in 2024, where there are strong competitors everywhere.

Quote from OneEng1

Certainly not "cheap", but also not nearly as expensive as an Axe III Fx.

I think they are a value within the performance market segment that they play in. Better than a helix, but at a similar price range. Close to an Axe III Fx in most regards (better in some, worse in others), yet much less expensive.

Not only have I been using my Kemper since 2013, because I have had it for so long, several people I know from other bands have purchased it as well (all former tube amp users). From the anecdotal evidence I have experienced, Kemper's business model is working just fine.

Yes, you are right. So I hope kemper will not discard such a business model, which is successful. It can benefit both the company and users.

Quote from qingtingzhr

I don't think you understand what I mean. The firmware update of a product requires investment, and the company's revenue comes from selling new products.Because transactions in the second-hand market do not bring any profits to the company,So the company must find ways to consistently sell more products in the future to ensure its revenue, and free firmware updates are the biggest reason to attract new users to purchase products.

It is precisely because new users purchase new products that the company has the funds to do firmware updates for the products, which is a virtuous cycle where both the company and users benefit.The attractiveness of continuous product updates is the way to ensure that new users join.

Kemper is a company that must ensure sufficient revenue before proceeding with other work. And these benefits can be reflected in the selling price of the product from the beginning——Kemper's products are actually not cheap.

Instead of paying for updates, let's think about how to sell more new products to increase the company's revenue.

（Sorry, I don't know English. All of the above relies on translation software.）

Quote from BadBadger

I think you’re not giving Kemper due credit for operating a customer friendly business model.

Most tech companies for any tech product would work on improvements and new features, then periodically, maybe every couple of years or less, announce the release of Widget version 2, which would have the new features.

Which would mean the users who want the features of Widget version 2 have to buy the new hardware.

It would be announced that Widget version 1 will continue to get free bug fixes / security patches, as required, for a limited period, maybe 3 years, at which point it would be at “end of life”, meaning support would stop.

Then a year or two after the release of Widget version 2, Widget version 3 is announced. Same procedure. And so on. A business model that drives people to buy new hardware every couple of years.

Instead, Kemper provide the new features as updates to the existing hardware, to not only keep the product attractive for a new user considering what to buy today, but to give all the new features, free of charge, to all their existing customers, even the ones who bought a Kemper twelve years ago, keeping their old device up to date with all the same new features that a new user who buys today would get, and free of charge to the owner of the 12 year old Kemper.

I don’t really understand the reluctance to acknowledge the customer friendly aspect of this approach.

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I don't think you understand what I mean. The firmware update of a product requires investment, and the company's revenue comes from selling new products.Because transactions in the second-hand market do not bring any profits to the company,So the company must find ways to consistently sell more products in the future to ensure its revenue, and free firmware updates are the biggest reason to attract new users to purchase products.

It is precisely because new users purchase new products that the company has the funds to do firmware updates for the products, which is a virtuous cycle where both the company and users benefit.The attractiveness of continuous product updates is the way to ensure that new users join.

Quote from G String

our updates are free. as for the updates, there is no difference in buying second hand or new. even today.

Yes, that's also the only reason why I purchased a brand new kemper profiler stage this year.Because it will continue to add value, this is a reasonable investment for me.

Quote from dfdfan

This to me is one of the best selling points of Kemper. Not having to continually purchase new hardware to get new features. And the biggest plus of all is the knowledge that my tweaked profile sounds will remain constant regardless of system updates.

Yes, you are right. If kemper announces to stop updating the firmware, I can guarantee that kemper's product sales will immediately fall to the bottom. People will choose to buy them in the second-hand market.