ToneX One

Quote from Ruefus

If you insist on constraining the generic term of modeling to one method (component modeling),

then yeah. Profiling is not component modeling. Christoph said he was lazy and wanted an automated way to do it. That’s obvious.

Allow the term to be even slightly generic to permit other methodologies or ways to get a similar result - and you get Captures or Profiles or whatever marketing term isn’t taken.

They imitate, emulate, mimic, copy, replicate…..whatever. They all *model* the sound of an amplifier.

It’d be like saying a 3D printed plastic car isn’t a model because it wasn’t injection molded. Or made from wood or metal or whatever.

Modeling has always (to me) meant attempting to model with digital processing what the circuit was doing in the tube amp (including the tube).

Profiling and capturing have always (to me) meant comparing the input and output of an actual amp and using it to recreate its behavior (not modeling and two different approaches)

Both are digital simulations or emulators of a real amp.

It is still irrelevant as the ToneX, as nearly perfect of a capture device as it is, still does not have the workflow, or additional overall processing and efx needed to sound as good as the Player.

Quote from OneEng1

It is still irrelevant as the ToneX, as nearly perfect of a capture device as it is, still does not have the workflow, or additional overall processing and efx needed to sound as good as the Player.

It's a bit of apples and oranges. The basic reverb on the Tonex units are probably fine in terms of having some basic ambience to work with when practicing direct, especially if you were to use headphones, which only the bigger 3-footwsitch Tonex and the Player have. But not as an outright replacement for a good quality versatile reverb. If you wanted to use the little Tonex on a pedal board, it is of course quite small and cheap. However, with the practical live limitation of having a single foot switch and lack of effects, you will invariably need to buy or at least make space on your board for more pedals to cover things the baby Tonex (and for that matter the original Tonex) don't do. You are also more drive pedal dependent on the baby Tonex as you can't quickly access more than two captures. So no net space saved on your pedal board. No money saved either unless you already own pedals that cover the things the baby Tonex can't do but the Player can.

Quote from Grooguit

It's a bit of apples and oranges. The basic reverb on the Tonex units are probably fine in terms of having some basic ambience to work with when practicing direct, especially if you were to use headphones, which only the bigger 3-footwsitch Tonex and the Player have. But not as an outright replacement for a good quality versatile reverb. If you wanted to use the little Tonex on a pedal board, it is of course quite small and cheap. However, with the practical live limitation of having a single foot switch and lack of effects, you will invariably need to buy or at least make space on your board for more pedals to cover things the baby Tonex (and for that matter the original Tonex) don't do. You are also more drive pedal dependent on the baby Tonex as you can't quickly access more than two captures. So no net space saved on your pedal board. No money saved either unless you already own pedals that cover the things the baby Tonex can't do but the Player can.

That was my thought as well.

By the time you put the ToneX on a pedal board, added a good verb and a good delay and a good compressor and a good eq, you would be larger, less flexible, and more expensive than the Player.

My personal thought is that today, the biggest competitor to the Kemper Player is a used Kemper toaster or rack which can be had for around 1K :).