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and44 · May 2, 2017 at 3:07 PM

Ok so Im playing with some ideas..I wont reveal anything yet.. no details about the amp or setup, nor the mic info.

Know this, there are 2 versions to each profile. can you hear the difference? - and if so, what you think it might be?

Interested? curious? have a play : )

I will reveal later with pics of what is involved. : )

Michael_dk · May 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM

Interesting!

The difference is most obvious in the test1 profiles, where I vastly prefer the ALT version.

Less obvious (but still readily discernable) in the #2 and #3 samples - and less clear to me what I like best

No idea what the difference is WRT the reference amp settings/setup/mics etc.

millstudios · May 2, 2017 at 6:02 PM

only difference I can hear after a quick listen is less mid and tighter bass in T1/2 Alt and T 3 ( the alt version has more mid and T3 has the same mid removal as T1/2 ..?)

pbfoot · May 2, 2017 at 7:57 PM

the alt seems to have a little more mid bass and is a little more present i.e. in your face. i hear it the most in 3 and 3 alt. 3 alt is the best of the 6 in my opinion, very even between the highs and lows

LaTruffe · May 2, 2017 at 9:57 PM

Same feelings as millstudios.

So I would choose:
Test1 Alt vs the Test 1.
Test 2 Alt vs Test 2, but the difference seems less pronounced.
But Test 3 vs Test 3 Alt.

Is the distance of the mic involved ?

and44 · May 3, 2017 at 9:55 AM

Ok well the test was this..

Sorry I dont have the picture on my drive but posted it on my instagram

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The difference between the TEST & TESTALT versions is the Rear Mic (see pic you will see it just)

The profiles are duel captured, 2 amps, 2 signal chains merged into one at the neve desk.

Worked so well. that Ive been exploring options and will be doing a duel-even treble amp pack.. there is a LOT more setup work, but you can get some nice custom tones for sure, and sometimes it fills in the gaps. where a single amp is missing.

When tracking bands that use multi amps its always a success, so why cant it be that way on the kemper.... sure there are a few limitations but noting to much to worry about.

Peace

Michael_dk · May 3, 2017 at 10:39 AM

Interesting! Do you filter either of the mics (eg. mostly top end from one, low end from another)? And how did you dial in the amps to compliment each other, in this case (just out of curiosity)?

sambrox · May 3, 2017 at 10:45 AM

Great stuff Andy! Very interesting, can't wait to try these out later
On another note, I finally bought the Rock'n'Blues pack - some EXCELLENT tones in there! Well worth the money. Thanks for all your time and experiments, man

and44 · May 3, 2017 at 12:33 PM

Quote from Michael_dk

Interesting! Do you filter either of the mics (eg. mostly top end from one, low end from another)? And how did you dial in the amps to compliment each other, in this case (just out of curiosity)?

Well its a 3 mic setup. but its not that simple.. the Royer is the "sound" mic that you hear both amps hitting at the same time. (Phase is important here too)... anyway.. the R14 is a Fig8 mic, so its capturing the sound in different direction hence why the amps are angled slightly inwards.

The rear mic is a condenser mic capturing nothing but room ambience as well as the crossover lows from the rear.

The mics were not treated, as no EQ was used. just the EQ on the amps.

The amps were setup to be a simular gain structure (important else this wont work), but the amps tonestack are reversed from each other, so one amp has all lows and other has none.. one has more treble etc etc. - once you figure out what amp sounds best at what settings (its all about that) then its good to go.

Its like Amp designing in a way this is.. albeit on a really basic level. but you can get a real nice guitar texture this way. just sounds more for-filling to me.

What will never work is if one amp has a clean sound an another with gain.. the kemper will confuse itself., but otherwise yeah.. no limits here just lots of moving amps and testing really.

But the purpose of all this is to make 2 amps sound like one big amp just for the profiler to understand, and now I know this its easier to deal with.

Anwyay.. thats that really!

Raoul23 · May 3, 2017 at 3:20 PM

Sounds cool Andy l look forward to what you have in store for us all.

pbfoot · May 3, 2017 at 4:18 PM

very interesting, and very intrigued

millstudios · May 3, 2017 at 10:34 PM

Love it