What was your original di box?
Merged vs Studio profiles - Problem solved?
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June 3, 2015 at 9:17 PM -
Thread is marked as Resolved.
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What was your original di box?
A BSS AR133. It's an industry standard. I have seen them in some good studios and many stages. -
A BSS AR133. It's an industry standard. I have seen them in some good studios and many stages.Strange, that´s a real quality device. From the design i would say it was this one that the Behringer GI-100 is based on. The GI-100 gives me great results when doing DI amp profiles.
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Strange, that´s a real quality device. From the design i would say it was this one that the Behringer GI-100 is based on. The GI-100 gives me great results when doing DI amp profiles.
There is something wrong, but I couldn't identify the source...
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I use a BSS AR133 and have been pretty happy with it so far.
I knocked up another test today to test out the difference between the real thing, studio, direct, merged and studio with cab off profiles. Studio and direct are still the way to go for me. The studio with cab off sounds very thin to me.
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thx for that clip!
nothing more to say i think
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thx for that clip!
nothing more to say i think
Really? I can hear a difference between the Studio and Merged profiles. Like in the test I did with the BSS. And there is a big difference between the real thing and the profiles.
This difference between the Studio and the Merged profiles is not present in my second test with the other DI box so maybe the BSS is not working so well.
And I agree, the Studio profile with cab off is the worst of them.
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There is always a difference between the real thing and the profiles imo, this is even a example of a pretty close profile i think
Yes with a few more listening i hear that tiny difference in the merged one also, but this can be differences in the Amp parameters too. Like Gain, Definition...i think "the perfect DI box for Direct profiling" does not exist..all have some colour or quality loss. Some work maybe better..some not and maybe the BSS is one of the ones that work not so well for that
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There is always a difference between the real thing and the profiles imo, this is even a example of a pretty close profile i think
Yes with a few more listening i hear that tiny difference in the merged one also, but this can be differences in the Amp parameters too. Like Gain, Definition..The difference is not so tiny if you isolate both the Merged and Studio versions and should be closer if you consider that the only difference between them is a process which moves the part of the cab or the amp that is at the wrong place in the studio profile. Probably the DI box influences too much the profiling process to successfully separate the amp and the cab and sound exactly like the Studio profile.
maybe the BSS is one of the ones that work not so well for that
Yes. This is what I suspect from the second test I did, just at the end of page one. In that test, the Studio and Merged profile were really close and the only thing I changed was the DI box. So, now, the problem is solved and I prefer Merged profiles which work well with both my CLR and guitar cab.As I wrote in my first post. I just wanted to test if there was a difference between them as some of the successful commercial profilers have said to stick to the old studio profiles. In my first test, with the BSS, there was a difference. Big enough to prefer the Studio profiles but I was not sure if I did something wrong so I uploaded everything to dropbox and asked for advice. As always, when you start a thread about any problem related to the KPA asking for the opinion of the community, you get the usual "you are wrong, it works" or "What are you doing? Studio profiles with cab off can even cure cancer!" but someone suggested to try another DI (in a private message) and, after the second test, I'm happy with the results so, thread closed. The BSS AR133 is a good active DI box but I will use the other one in my future DI profiling.
Thank you everybody for you feedback.
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Which di box was the successful box for you?
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Which di box was the successful box for you?
The one included in a Two Notes Torpedo VB-101... so it's not a small DI box and not a good solution. But now, I must check other DI boxes available at the studio until I find one that works well.
There is still something wrong in the profiles when playing single notes, but this is a problem of refining and not the DI box and the problem is present in all the profiles DI, MERGED and STUDIO.
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Thanks for the info. Curious to see how the other boxes work!
Have you turned off the cab on a merged profile and compared it to direct with those created with the Two Notes?
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Thanks for the info. Curious to see how the other boxes work!
Have you turned off the cab on a merged profile and compared it to direct with those created with the Two Notes?
Yes. They are identical. And miced a cab and compared the real amp vs the merged profile and it's very good!
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Thanks for the info. Curious to see how the other boxes work!
Have you turned off the cab on a merged profile and compared it to direct with those created with the Two Notes?
And this is a video comparing the Merged cab off profile vs the real amp. The picture shows DI but the clip was recorded using the Merged one.
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Really? I can hear a difference between the Studio and Merged profiles. Like in the test I did with the BSS. And there is a big difference between the real thing and the profiles.
This difference between the Studio and the Merged profiles is not present in my second test with the other DI box so maybe the BSS is not working so well.
And I agree, the Studio profile with cab off is the worst of them.
Yeah the Studio with cab off is the weakest link. I can hear the subtle difference between the full studio and merged but honestly it would not be enough to concern me.
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I heard back from support today, they confirmed that the difference should not be there and think that the DI boxes may be the cause. They are looking into it.
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