Posts by DamianGreda

Also issues : Kemper ASIO Driver won't load 😔

Hello , i wanted to create a separate topic regarding problems with ASIO drivers as it is difficult to find problems from other threads. Especially for people trying to adapt ten drivers to their studio setups, where other devices with the asio driver are already present.

musicmad also have some issues with new drivers and Cubase. Coud you please describe the issue here?
Let me share my comments.
1. The ASIO control panel offers the option of selecting the buffer length - but in practice it does not matter because changing the buffer jumps back to the predefined value. Tested with Bandlab Sonar.
2. I tested the driver in VB audio's ASIO driver test program and it is unable to run the driver
App i available here https://forum.vb-audio.com/viewtopic.php?t=1204
3. VB Audio MAtrix app is only open driver while run in administrator mode
VB-Audio Matrix

4. Latency of the ASIO dricer is on par with WDM driver - no latency gain (USB 2 limitation?)

Quote from musicmad

Can anyone get the ASIO drivers to work? They are not working in Cubase for me at all. It's available for selection at startup but Cubase doesn't accept them and just prompts me to select another driver.

We are a minority at here looking for solutions to problems Most people prefer sensations.

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NEW ASIO Windows drivers (11.1.0 beta) RM 3.7.9 issues thread

Hello , i wanted to create a separate topic regarding problems with ASIO drivers as it is difficult to find problems from other threads. Especially for people trying to adapt ten drivers to their studio setups, where other devices with the asio driver are already present.

musicmad also have some issues with new drivers and Cubase. Coud you please describe the issue here?
Let me share my comments.
1. The ASIO control panel offers the option of selecting the buffer length - but in practice it…

DamianGreda

September 30, 2024 at 11:05 PM

I just created a new thread regarding ASIO as I do not want to post on some conflicting discussion about LI LII LIII arguing as I do not own player.

Quote from Mickg65

The "Class Compliant" driver should act like ASIO4ALL, as you said, a wrapper, but should allow sound from media player or Youtube at the same time, which asio4all does not... the "Native Asio" driver should be a fully fledged Asio driver, with the downside that all sound outside of the Daw itself will be blocked, at least this is how I understand it from the description.

From your comments, I just tried opening both rig manager and cubase, using the "Run as administrator" command, and again tried to switch the driver from Asio4all to the new Kemper Class Compliant driver, which again failed with the connection error. I then closed everything down and repeated, this time using Rig Manager to use the new native driver. Then, when trying to switch from Asio4all to the new native driver, again, I get the same connection error.

Up to the point of attempting to use the driver in Cubase, I get all the same warnings etc as the others who have written here above. It is very frustrating, but thank you for your reply.

Sorry but i was not reffering to your issues. Just my observations. I will add another topic about ASIO driver issues.

The windows ASIO driver seems to be a little buggy. With ASIO test app driver does not reporting nothing (opening error) .App has to be opened in admin mode to acces the driver. Buffer changes do not affect the latency which is the same as with the WDM driver.Generally it behaves as a WDM Driver wrapper like Asio4all. In free time I will try to make a problem list.

Quote from Steve5478

i want it all for free (even if i would like to) and i can catch this upgrade needs to pay something else but Kemper have done separates steps/levels, why can't they thanks loyal customers with a separate discount too ? It arrives sometimes in the commercial world, dunno ?!

I belive it would create second hand market very fast to upgerade cheaper as owner of other device then sell with guaranty for larger price.

I'm very glad that there are ASIO drivers! This was a problem for me. I don't know if this is a good step with paid unlocking of higher versions for the company. There was a time when there were RIGOL oscilloscopes whose high sampling rates were unlocked with a code. Quite quickly someone found a way to unlock it and after a few years RIGOL was giving away this unlock as a bonus free upgerade.

BTW if someone is interested to combine several ASIO interaces on windows, there is a tool called VB- Audio Matrix. https://vb-audio.com/Matrix/index.htm

With KPA USB midi avaliable now you can use TOAST ME for tuner for now. It works great I belive the KPA team will implement it sooner or later as they implemented a lot of things included those ones requested by users of TME editor.

Yes, there have already been such experiments and in fact the refining effect was better using such a signal. Maybe it's a lead.

It is possible that this could be the officially recommended method with the ready file available on the KPA website? But you'd probably have to test it hard on a few cases. It would rule out some arbitrariness and thus some disappointment and uncertain effects of profiling for some users.

Quote from piotrmaj

capture tuning could be more detailed to faithfully do full gain sweep from 0 to 11, etc.

I guess this concept is used in proteus.

Quote from darthwain

its good enuf for me thanks

That's great! Well for sure you can't capture your pedals and run it in daw with more NAM instances to make whole guitar chain

Quote from VegasG

The free modelers, NAM and Proteus, suffer from tying a player to a computer, either laptop or desktop.

Yes and no. There are a DIY and comercial projects that implement NAM or AI core to dedicated hardware or open hardware like Rb pi4 . Even on DaisySeed board. Yes - those are not mature solution - yet. But people gigs with laptops. Author Steven Atkinson was gigging with a laptop with NAM.

Quote from Delinquent

So what happened to Kempers patent, did it run its course? too expensive to defend, I know nothing about these things, just like women.

I think the patent was very specific about one type of modeling / profiling. But I don't know much about it either. It would also be difficult to fight in the era of AI progress to limit this (guitar amp) area when there are already applications modeling the tone of voice of famous characters. Of course, I'm just speculating.

It would be enough not to specify what non-linear distortions the plugin imitates.

You could call it a plugin for profiling the non-linear black box response.

In fact some guys are profiling studio preamps and tape recorders with NAM.

There are another project focused on profiling audio compressors (time dependent response) :

https://csteinmetz1.github.io/tcn-audio-effects/

Plugin : https://github.com/csteinmetz1/neural-2a

Profiling: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%…9JQnZKnLB_2Qt2s https://github.com/csteinmetz1/micro-tcn

There is a lot going on in this field and I don't think any patent can stop it. And rightly so - because it would stop the development only for the profit of some company.

This is list of audio ai startups : https://github.com/csteinmetz1/ai-audio-startups

Quote from goldensheaf

Im hoping Kemper just upgrades the profing algorithm or whatever it needs too. I highly doubt he is going to lay down an be beaten in the field an market he developed. Not going to happen.......

I would like to see that. I'm all for it.

I'm just trying to look at it realistically.

I think DSP56300 (200 MIPs/core vs 2000 mips for rasberry pi 4 for example) is too slow to do the math with NN. Maybe another new product?

Besides, in my case, I prefer to have access to a solution in the form of a plugin because of what I wrote about - working in a DAW. Reamping each track with one device would take a lot of time. And anyway, I prefer to track the sound of all the guitar tracks at once. But as a live solution, absolutely.

So my last word. I don't know what Chris has some ace up his sleeve. From my observations, KPA has already become a mature product and will become a classic in the world of Guitar-Audio like Acces Virus , and the whole team will go to work on another project, not necessarily about guitars. I don't think the KPA design will suddenly change and I don't believe the team will be able to implement neural network playback in assembler. It comes from the fact that Chris just made something beautiful out of what he knows and which was already a bit outdated at the moment. This shows how you can squeeze the last juices out of this technology. But I have no illusions that the world will go in a new direction and it will be neural networks.

The only solution I see is for Christoph's mind to just use the current tools and use it as creatively as in the case of KPA. Automating additional parameters for the amplifier, etc. But this will require giving up independent participation in programming or learning how to program neural networks and working on it. It seems impossible to me at the moment. I'd like to be wrong. P.S. Both the acces and KPA products are based on the same processor architecture.

Quote from waraba

real time kernels seems to be much better at this, windows is struggling with inconsistent results , given cpu type, buses, soundcard & drivers...

the 1st company putting NAM in a pedal format will win the race ...

Does NAM computing take place in the CPU or in soundcard's DSP ? staking plugins leads to cracks as soon as I hit 5% of my ( old ) cpu.

There are some DIY implementations and comercial like MOD DWARF.

Wheresthedug there must be something wit your setup. I've checked NAM at my old laptop and with buffer 128 have 20 ms latency.

Quote from GearJocke

So true. The same with plugins. The latest ssl emulation from dev A is so much better than old Waves version you hear from many wanna be pro on forums. And still that old Waves version is used by some pro mixers and they get that pro sound amateurs dream about. Or they just use stock plugins in their daw. Anyway most pro mixers approach is learn your tools you have now and stick with them and don’t waste time or money on the latest stuff. It won’t make you sound better. It’s not the tools. It’s your knowledge that Matters. Your or your band won’t sound better with the latest and any audience/listener won’t hear any difference nor will care what’s been used. All they care is if they like your music or not.

But for studio use just for reuse the tone :

1. the more faithful the better since you need the same tone as with live tracking with AMP( you need the same tone not almost the same to do some punch ins and so on)

2. the faster and less problematic profile/train the better (refining is very problematic process)

3. You can track and bounce several tracks without the need for expensive equipment and without wasting time

So for live - yes KPA is very well designed ecosystem

For studio use NAM is better in terms of time and reproduction fidelity and simplicity of making "profiles"

For training you have to follow the steps :

1. First instal Anaconda : https://www.anaconda.com/

Then follow the steps from github site

: How to use (Local)

Installation uses Anaconda for package management.

For computers with a CUDA-capable GPU (recommended):

conda env create -f environment_gpu.yml

Otherwise, for a CPU-only install (will train much more slowly):

conda env create -f environment_cpu.yml

Then activate the environment you've created with

conda activate nam

Train models (GUI)

After installing, you can open a GUI trainer by running

nam

from the terminal.

Wheresthedug please beare in mind that for now plugin will only work with 48kHz SR session as training process was designed fot that SR . This will change as Steve will implement oversampling in the plugin to support other sample rates.

Quote from Wheresthedug

DamianGreda I downloaded Version 5 from Github. What do I do now? I want to give it a try but it looks like I need an IT degree to even install it. Definitely intimidating to me before I even get started. Tried reading the ReadMe file. Ran the Setup.py file. But still don't know how to use it. What do I need to do?

You want to install vst3 plugin or setup an environment for training your own amps?

You can download plugin here: https://github.com/sdatkinson/Neu…ases/tag/v0.7.1