Stomps could use more parameter range - attenuation.

    Often I'll add an OD/Distortion stomp to an amp rig to add gain at the touch of a button.

    I find that many times that once I have dialled in the correct amount of distortion/gain, there is not enough *attenuation* range to match the level to the un-stomped sound - even at the maximum cut (only -5 available)

    It would be most useful to have more range available 8)

    Quote from Michael_dk

    >Interesting - is this for all OD stomps, or just some of them?<


    Certainly on the TS-808 & Rat models - which are the ones I use mainly.

    Quote from Michael_dk

    >it could be a bug.<

    I doubt it. Seems like more of an oversight.

    I would guess it's not shown up as a problem because most people also want the level boost as well as adding distortion - rather than wishing to accurately level match two sounds.

    Support ticket submitted anyway. Thanks for the info (y)

    Edited once, last by bagginz (December 24, 2016 at 1:51 AM).

    Quote from ckemper

    Not an oversight.
    Please check the correct clean sens leveling, as this will level the sound without distortion.

    Clean sens (and Dist sense) are set to zero in my profiler as I'm using neither high or particularly low output pickups in my guitars.

    I want to match the level of the distorted sound (with stomp on) to the pristine clean sound (stomp off) in my Twin Reverb profile.

    I'm aware that the peak value of the two resulting waveforms may indeed be the same (if recorded and measured in an audio editor) but it's the perceived loudness value that I'm trying to match.

    Hi bagginz matching the level of the clean sound to the level of the distorted sound is exactly what clean sens is for. It adjusts the level of the clean sound up or down without affecting the distortion portion of the sound. Try adjusting it.

    P.

    Quote from P3t3rB

    Hi bagginz matching the level of the clean sound to the level of the distorted sound is exactly what clean sens is for.

    Is it?

    I was under the impression that it was to allow input gain compensation for different pickup outputs. (This is what the Kemper manual section on Clean Sens says:)

    " ♦ Clean Sens
    Extremely “hot” guitars can generate unwanted distortion, indicated by the Input LED flashing red. This is only
    relevant for clean sounds, however - prominent amp distortion will fully mask a subtle clipping of the input. You
    can verify this fact by trying different settings of Clean Sens. However, if you want to avoid a red input LED, you
    can always lower Clean Sens."

    Quote from P3t3rB

    Try adjusting it.


    Ok I've spent some time adjusting the input parameters.

    I found out some useful things:

    1. By boosting the clean sense by the full 12db I can level the clean sound in my rig up to the uber loud Fuzz sound I had set up in a stomp in the same rig (which already had the maximum -5 of level cut applied ) I cannot make the stomp sound quieter - but I can at least make it an equivalent loudness to the clean sound now.

    2. Clean Sens. is saveable per patch!

    I had assumed Clean Sens was a global setting for guitar compensation. (and I had thought by extensiion that all my carefully tweaked patches would change if I adjusted it. )

    3. Interestingly Dist Sens. affects the saturation levels in the stomp boxes too.

    Clearly my thinking about the KPA has been limited by taking the analogy of it as an Amplifier with 4 stomps in front and 4 FX slots post power amp too literally. It's a digital device that can avoid the limitations of a serial signal flow.

    Thanks for the er.. input P3t3rB :thumbup:

    Edited once, last by bagginz (December 27, 2016 at 6:25 PM).

    Quote from P3t3rB

    It sounds like you're really getting to the bottom of clean sens.

    I am.

    Still, it strikes me as slightly kludgy. Rather than jumping through all these hoops: ( turning Clean Sens up, turning the Rig down & re-saving it - with the result that I still cannot turn the level of the stomped sound below the clean & as well as losing the ability to set the input parameters globally ) I can't help thinking that it would be far simpler just to provide more attenuation range in the distortion stomp.

    But I would guess there is a reason it's designed that way - something to do with the KPA concept of keeping all the Rigs both clean and distorted, sounding approximately the same level.

    Which is a good feature...

    Edited 3 times, last by bagginz (December 28, 2016 at 12:14 AM).