Kemper Profiler 2.0

Deadlightstudio · August 12, 2014 at 5:49 AM

Got an idea for a Kemper 2.0

Profiling chain: Same as usual but extra input on Kemper for a signal coming from Amp speaker out. Then a output going to the cab.
Now Kemper profiles both. Amp only + Amp cab/mic setup.
Possibility to play both paralell "Amp only profile" for poweramp/cab use and "Amp cab/mic profile" straight to FOH mixer.

Next thing, the Profiler knows now the exact difference between Amp without and with Cab so changing cab is much more "true"

Ok if they come with something like this in a Kemper 2.0 i want one for free for my idea haha

Cheerz
Lars

Armin · August 12, 2014 at 7:29 AM

You will be happy soon ....

nightlight · August 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Apparently, this kind of separation will be possible with the current avatar of the amplifier. Mr CK had mentioned that he's working on a way to clearly separate cabinets and amplifiers, perhaps through DI profiles of heads and then (this part is my supposition) a separate profile of head and cabinet.

As far as the signal chain you proposed, it might be possible if the existing parallel chain is tweaked to have cabinet on/off states. We'll see!

Deadlightstudio · August 12, 2014 at 1:51 PM

uuuuh that sounds great and then? delete everything an profile again haha

Quitty · August 12, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Quote from nightlight

Apparently, this kind of separation will be possible with the current avatar of the amplifier. Mr CK had mentioned that he's working on a way to clearly separate cabinets and amplifiers, perhaps through DI profiles of heads and then (this part is my supposition) a separate profile of head and cabinet.

As far as the signal chain you proposed, it might be possible if the existing parallel chain is tweaked to have cabinet on/off states. We'll see!

Can you refer me? Very interested.

pacocito · August 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Quote from Armin

You will be happy soon ...

If this happens, I'm going to be very happy!

nightlight · August 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Hey, sorry guys. I found a few mentions of this, but couldn't find the exact quote I was referring to.
Here's one:

Quoted from "chameleon101663"
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But each solution creates it's own new problem (which I'm trying to solve).

If I use the KPA as primarily an FRFR solution, I have a BIG compromise on the quality of stage monitoring which sounds nowhere near as nice as my real amps onstage. I've already gone through two FRFR monitors (A JBL EON G2 which sucked and an EV Sx250 which was better). But I see this route as a rabbit-hole of compromise, purchases and wasted money trying to find a workable solution.

If I use the KPA as a DI solution, the quality of my stage monitoring improves dramatically (and will be better once the speaker profile can be 100% removed from the monitor output) AND I get a great sound to the board. So even though it's "stretching" it's intended purpose it has potentially greater payoffs for me. YMMV.

I sure do hear ya on the lugging around the 4X12. But I gotta either lug around an FRFR stage monitor or a 2X12 cabinet anyway so the question for me is, "Which one inspires me onstage like my amps do?".

Mr CK says: My findings using the KPA as a DI solution
Despite the fact, that we are working on new solutions for the direct-to-cabinet, everybody should be aware that what you hear through the regular stage monitors is equivalent to the sound that is presented to the public. If you mind your audience you should work on that sound. If your sound is shit on the stage monitors, while the singer, bass and keyboards sound good, there is definetely something wrong.

A cab sound on stage might sound better and more familiar to you, but has nothing to do with what you present to the public. This is why more and more pro's go for regular stage or in-ear monitoring, not just to listen to themselves, but to control the real sound. How can you control your playing and dynamics, when you hear a different sound than what is finally in the mix?

There's a much better quote where he specifically mentions the idea of DI profiles. Wait a second, I believe this was it: Option to Profiling just the preamp with cab sim off.

Quoted from "troynova"
I would guess it would be very unlikely.

I assume it would take changing the Algorithm and that is something they have stated is unlikely to change.

I'm just guessing here. Anything is possible

Mr CK has indicated that a process for blending a DI profile and normal profile is in the pipeline. This would hopefully make it easier to just switch off the cab sim and hook up the Kemper to a cabinet.

Quoted from "strengdal"
Yes I know and Im not realy complaining, its a feature request. Maybe it can be done in the future?

Mr CK says:
We will be working on exactly this.

In the mean time, don't switch off the cab when you made a direct profile.

nightlight · August 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Thanks for helping me goof off at work, guys!

Quitty · August 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Thanks, nightlight!
I wonder if he's not referring to the factory preamp-pack. I hope not, it would be great to see the Profiler evolve further.

smfelton · August 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM

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Quote from Quitty

Thanks, nightlight!
I wonder if he's not referring to the factory preamp-pack. I hope not, it would be great to see the Profiler evolve further.

+1 on this for sure.

Dorrus · August 15, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Quote from Armin

You will be happy soon ....

I'm getting curious, or perhaps I don't understand this hint but,
Will there be a new Kemper Profiling amp model in the near future ?

Ingolf · August 15, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Quote from Dorrus

I'm getting curious, or perhaps I don't understand this hint but,
Will there be a new Kemper Profiling amp model in the near future ?

No.
I think you read way too much into this.

Dorrus · August 15, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Oh Shit

Deadlightstudio · August 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

this update would be sooo damn awesome!
Its allready awesome with real cab..but this will even this improve a lot!