Posts by dango123

Quote from quemper

Is there a sequence of steps to avoid this or a workaround to minimize this.

It's unfrtunate timing to have this issue just when most of us are curating new presets with 2.0 profiles.

I've also seen a related bug where Rig Manager says you are previewing a rig (the icon and highlight moves), but the old rig is still being previewed.

And finally there's a bug with having two rig manager windows open and a change in selected folder of one window affects the other window as well.

Sorry, no steps to reproduce.

I have not found a way to avoid the bug I noted. I've disconnected the Player, powered down the Player, powered back up, reconnected to Rig Manager, and still have the same issue. Iv'e also noticed, intermittently, that sometimes the profile slot names unexpectedly revert to the old/correct names, and sometimes not.

Also - the follow up issue I noted is another workflow problem - the profile you were on prior to profiling a new amp has it's metadata persist in the new profile - so that ToneJunkies patch will have many of it's settings/details appear as a default value in your new profile. You have to explicitly go into your new profile and update all the fields, which i find counterproductive - have you seen this behavior?.

I reported a bug in the March release of 2.0 where the names/descriptions of adjacent patches in Rig Manager (when I'm connected to my updated Player) unexpectedly change when edits are happening. This is still a bug in the new release.

Example - I create a new profile in slot 14.1. Then I create a new profile in slot 14.2. The name of the profile in 14.1 unexpectedly changes to be the name I typed in for 14.2.

This situation is a concerning because I'm creating a rapid-fire series of profiles (low gain, high gain, mic on edge, mic in middle of cone, etc.) - I only realized that the descriptions were being altered after the first 4/5 profiles were created... so now I need to make them over, because I don't remember what i had labeled them previously. Note that I also can't tell whether any other settings beside the name are changing - which would make this an even more severe issue.

Personally I'd categorize this is a MAJOR bug since it impacts directly on user experience/functionality - hopefully it's a simple one for Kemper to resolve since it's strictly librarian functions, and not something major like how the profiles are being created (at least I hope that's the case).

Not trying to be a PITA - and hope that this type of feedback is helpful as Kemper refines the release.

Thanks,
Dango

P.S. - on a related note, I'd suggest that when creating a new profile, ALL of the descriptive metadata (amp model, cab model, mics, etc.) be BLANKED OUT - I'm finding that the metadata is pre-populated with data from the previously loaded rig/profile. So for example, if I load a ToneJunkies profile, and 20 minutes later create my own profile, it looks like it was authored by ToneJunky and has their cabs/amp models listed, etc. Anyone else have this issue?

So I'd like to take advantage of the extreme portability of the KPP and use it as a fly rig pedalboard into my main amp. I am experiencing a problem when using the 1/4" monitor outputs -- lots of hiss is present in the signal, which cannot be defeated (I've tried manipulating all the output settings tied to the monitor outs - nothing has worked thus far).

ChatGBT (my good friend) suggested that a reamp box (e.g., a Radial ProRMP) between KPP and guitar amp was a potential cure, since the KPP puts out a balanced, line-level signal, and the guitar amp expects an unbalanced, instrument level signal).

Was wondering if anyone out here is using a reamp box to connect the KPP to a guitar amp. I did some searches in the forum and didn't find this specific use case, so thought I'd ask the experts here.

Thanks in advance for your help!!

Dango

BUG IN RIG MANAGER 14.0.56

Just installed the latest beta version of rig manager (14.0.56) - noticed something weird upon startup. I have my Player connected, and the rig manager is overwriting the profiles in the slot that is active when everything starts up. In other words...

a) pre-rig manager start up - shows slot 10-1 as "original profile"

b) rig manager starts up - shows slot 10-1 as "a different profile that I had not even remotely selected..."

c) sometimes the adjacent profile slots are also overwritten with different named profiles.

d) The incorrect names of the profiles remain in place no matter what I do.

When I power down the Player and quit the Rig Manager, and start over again, it still happens. I have to select a different patch, power down Player and quit Rig Manager, and then start over, and only then can I go back to the profile I wanted to work with.

This seems significant, since the profile that I am on at power up is the one I am trying to use...

Anyone else seen this?

Thanks,

Dango

Quote from Kellerblues

Not yet, they are supposed to come out in RM. Probably they will be in the release version.

gotta say, that makes absolutely no sense to me - without any new 2.0 profiles, most people out here will not be able to hear any improvements unless they create a new profile. IMO, Kemper should have at least included the demo profiles that were used in the recent videos with the update itself...Guess we have to wait a little longer...

Have to say I'm very excited that the MK2 firmware update is here! Long time in coming, glad we are finally at this point. Congrats Kemper!

However... without actual 2.0 profiles to check out, I'm left kind of wanting... Not sure that any kind of evaluation can be done without sample profiles. I saw 2 user-provided profiles in Rig Exchange, but they are not the kind of amps that I use, unfortunately.

I saw an earlier post from someone stating that new sample profiles are on their way... any idea when that may happen? Looking forward to seeing what the new firmware can actually do

Quote from taylorphototexas

Looks like a > $2000 toy. Built in pedal, craft kit colors. IDK it probably sounds good but is that thing going to survive a pub stage? I used to have an L6 AX2. That thing was rugged. The controller was metal chassis. Even that broke eventually. I still have my L6 cabs though. Very sturdy,

Spend some time with it - it’s no toy. It’s a serious competitor to Kemper, QC, and other market leaders. A major step up for L6.

Note that I absolutely hated the HX Stomp, so I’m hardly an L6 fanboy…

Quote from RickWillits

I have a 10 inch full color touchscreen that also plays media and runs an unlimited number of apps including rig manager. It’s called a samsung galaxy tablet and costs less than $200.

Nice! Unfortunately your tablet isn’t built into your kemper with a streamlined/improved editor/UI, but we will take the wins wherever we can get’em ;).

I am a veteran Kemper user - love the Powered Toaster and also have a Player… and am anxiously awaiting the MK2 firmware updates.

Having said that, I spent a few hours with the Helix Stadium today. Previously, I had owned, and traded, an HX stomp XL (hated it). This is a different beast entirely.

Stadium felt great, sounded great, and looked great. The ability to edit sounds and effects is deep and well organized. Excellent UI and a beautiful big color touchscreen. This was a big step up for Line6 IMO. Much more realistic (and fun) than their prior offerings and ups the ante in this market segment.

Hoping that MK2 updates keep pace with what I experienced today. The modeler/profiler space is continuing to develop in exciting ways, and Kemper has always (IMO) been the leader in creating authentic play feel and amp responsiveness, but the world is catching up. Would be awesome to hear more about what’s coming, especially since it’s 6 months late now.

I know the beta testers are under NDA, but can anyone share deeper feedback about upcoming new features and testing results to date?? Inquiring minds want to know

Quote from Steve5478

BAM 200 is not done for giving a Flat response nor done for guitarists at the base but it was quickly a solution cause ; a classe D, 4 ohms accepted for 200 watts and not expensive (plus the powerKabinet didn't exist at that time).

vtgearhead took measurements and gave the settings to have the flattest response (thanks to him ), it is here : RE: Poweramp for Kemper and Kabinet.

The reason why i choosed this device with all these datas

I totally get that the BAM200 was originally marketed towards bassists, but apparently it's found a home among guitarists (some jazz guys actually plug straight in and use it as an alternative to a polytone). The EQ is flexible enough to support guitar, as you noted, so all good. As I mentioned, you can certainly find tones that are hollow/odd sounding, so it takes a bit of EQ tweaking to find your sweet spot, but I use this with a Kone, and think it sounds pretty darn good (again, not quite as good as the internal IcePower module in my Toaster, but certainly close).

Quote from halipino

Interesting, and this product is def on the "cheap side", referring to the price of it. I worry about things that are inexpensive as far as reliability but then agai, expensive stuff fails just as much, especially when you need it most. Lol

It's lasted nearly 2 years for me at this point, never got too hot and has worked reliably on a number of gigs. Don't know how this experience stacks up against what others have seen, but I'm not complaining at this point

Quote from halipino

Hate to say it but that is still too much at the moment, kind of you to look it up Dave.
I see from previous threads the TC Electronic BAM 200 200W Bass Amp Head is only $119.00 brand new. state-of-the-art Class D amp technology. hmmmm????? https://www.guitarcenter.com/TC-Electronic/…500000270588.gc

Another TC BAM200 user here, I think it's a totally valid/useable solution for gigging (I've used it on some big gigs to provide local monitoring thru a Kone, while I use XLR to send to FOH). Side by side with the Powered Toaster, BAM200 is not QUITE as good, but def close enough. I do find that the EQ settings are VERY sensitive, and you can find some positions on the knobs that give hollow/odd results - however, once you fine-tune settings, it's great.

Quote from ckemper

Hi!

Another aftermath: The EQD Bit Commander is not a bit shaper at all, but merely a sort of synthesizer/octaver. Different sound.

CK

Wow, thanks for the follow-up, I really appreciate the clarification.

Incidentally, the Bit Commander is a SMOKING effect pedal, would be awesome to see a model of this one showing up in Kemper one day...

Thanks again,
Dango

I have had good experience with regular guitar cabs/speaker as well as with the Kone - I currently run 2 Kone's in 2 separate cabs (one open, one closed) - I think they sound fantastic. I don't mess too much with the imprints, I just found a few that I like and stick with them (I like the Goodman imprint as well as the G12H Anniversary - the others I can give or take).

I do think that the Kone's sound better and livelier than the FRFR mode (that use the Speaker IR's).

I also like the dispersion of the Kone's; with a single 12 I hear myself better on stage when I'm off axis to the speaker - I think others have agreed with this point as well.

I don't have a Kab, but do have 2 Kone's in traditional cabinets - really like them (actually prefer them in open back format believe it or not). I find that the sound field is a bit wider than a traditional 12" driver, and I can hear myself better on stage.

Quote from dango123

Thanks, I'll give it a try later today and report back with my findings - appreciate the help with this!

I continued experimenting - I switched to a different cable profile called "Cable Direct" by PWhe23 in Rig Exchange - after I matched volume levels between the on and off states of the amp module, the drive effects sounded essentially the same whether the amp was in or out of the signal chain. I'm guessing the earlier cable patch profile we were using (LMTTRAY - A-Stick) had some profiled qualities that reacted in unexpected ways when the drives were engaged. All good for me on this point.

I also re-installed the latest firmware, and continued to experiment with the various drive options via headphones and into a real amp - here are some preliminary findings:

- the Kemper Drives and Green Scream defaults still have more of that clean signal mixed in and give (me at least) a less familiar tone and feel, although as Christoph mentioned, this gets reduced somewhat as the drive and tone settings are turned up. Perhaps I just need to get more familiar with Kemper Drive options since the presets don't correspond with how I typically use these pedals. Personally, these tones don't feel or sound particularly "right" to me especially going into a real amp (and of course that could just be my own perceptions).

- For the most part, the drives outside of the Kemper Drive (e.g., Plus DS, One DS, Mouse, Full OC, etc.) have more of the expected feel - not sure if the firmware re-install had something to do with this, but there seems to be an improvement going into the amp which makes me a bit more optimistic. I will continue to experiment, but it feels like I'm moving in the right direction.

I'll continue to report back as I learn more - huge thanks to everyone that's been following along, and for sharing thoughts to help me work this out, I greatly appreciate it.

Best,
Dango

Quote from JoePVblue

Let’s find out what is usefull and what is different

Nothing wrong with that.

Fully agree - lets find out!

Quote from Wheresthedug

I don't hear anything wrong when using Kemper Drive, Kemper Fuzz, Boost etc

The only thing that sounds weird is the Octa Shaper which Job Posthuma refers to but I suspect that is how the effect itself works so is not a good example to test with.

Try using something that definitely shouldn't have any clean path like the Kemper Fuzz, Full OC, Mouse etc. I don't hear anything unusual with any of them.

Thanks, I'll give it a try later today and report back with my findings - appreciate the help with this!

Quote from ckemper

The Bit Shaper, as well as any other bit reducing effect, sound like an effect added to the clean signal by nature, when not set to drastical values.

You can check that there is not parallel signal is added to the Bit Shaper by simply setting Drive and Tone to max value. Then the sound will be cut off, once it decays below the 1 bit barrier.

CK

Thanks again for weighing in on this point - I will say that the bit shaping pedals that I've worked with, like the EQD Bit Commander, have a more extreme impact on the sound. The test example I provided in my earlier post resulted in an extremely subtle effect which didn't seem like it added much; I did play around with the Drive and Tone settings during my initial experiments but it didn't seem to do much - I will revisit this to see if it makes much of a difference.

Best,
Dango

Quote from ckemper

Hi!

As some have mentioned here, all overdrive pedals - including our Green Scream and the Kemper Drive - have the clean signal added to the overdriven signal. That is the nature of overdrive pedals.

The output level of the profiler is not necessarily equal to the output level of an overdrive or distortion pedal.

Have you tried to change the output level to achieve the desired sound?

CK

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Christoph, gotta say it's very exciting to see your name in this thread, - Thank you very much for your attention on this issue!

I have tried changing the drive effect output levels (and the overall Player output level), which does not significantly improve the situation for my use case. It's not just that the pedals are at a different output level, they just don't feel or sound "right" when connecting directly to a guitar amp. The tones lack the expected punch and directness with the extra clean signal mixed in.

I take your point that many external overdrive pedals mix in some clean signal, but something still doesn't seem right (as confirmed by others in this thread). Interestingly, when I use a product like the Boss GT1, the overdrive models behave very much like the modeled pedals when I go into the front of a tube amp, which is why I was hopeful I could get a similar result with the Kemper Player.

Note that I don't doubt that there may be a user error on my part that is causing the issue - if there is any further advice or suggestion you could provide, I'd greatly appreciate it. And, if it's helpful, I'd be happy to provide a video clip to clarify what I'm experiencing, so just let me know.

Thanks,
Dango