It needs a Performance mode. Where 5 individual Rigs can be grouped together under one Performance name.
I bought the Player and at every turn, it’s a brick wall to use live.
How can you easily re arrange a set list when no Rigs are grouped together or have a Performance name?
Posts by Vinny Burns
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I see.
So you are looking to create a thickened version of the original by using a delay?
I have never heard of this being done with a delay before. Interesting.
I believe that chorus is accomplished with a signal that is derived and detuned from the original, then summed with the original. The amount of detune is moved up and down in a sine wave at some frequency. When frequency is 0, it can be called a detune, dual detune, or quad detune.
A flanger on the other hand does NOT detune the signal. It delays it and then sums it back. The amount of delay is what is changed with a sine wave function.
I believe that Kemper offers all 3 effects if this is what you are attempting to create. I would have to look at what settings are available on each when I get home.
Are you wanting to do this because you are not happy with the chorus, flange, detune and doubling functions in the Kemper?
Both chorus and flange are modulated delayed signals.
I tend to use 1-4 millisecond for Flange and 10-14 milliseconds for Chorus.
The chorus and flange blocks on the profilers are very ‘Kempercentric’ compared to something like a 2290 or TC 1210.
Whereas, the Kemper delay blocks, especially the multi delay blocks, have much more control.But. As I mentioned elsewhere, I couldn’t get a couple of the delay blocks to get anywhere near 1-14ms when I last tried. The delay was far greater than that and not even usable for what I wanted.
This was on the actual Kemper and not Rig Manager.
As I also stated, it may have been fixed since then but I moved on from experimenting with the Kemper blocks for my studio stuff,Now, I just use my Fulltone TERC Tri Stereo chorus between the Kemper and DAW. In the Daw, I use my 2290 plugin as well as my Eventide H3000 plugins. These supply all the Delays, Chorusing and Pitch Shifting that I need in the studio.
Live, I have to use simpler versions from within the Kemper.
Edit. Direct reply to your first sentence. No, I am not looking to thicken things up. I am looking to create my own chorus and flange sounds from within the delay blocks like I have grown up doingI grew up with my first digital delay. Ibanez DM1100. Learned how to make flange and chorus sounds with just that unit.
Years later, once we started touring, I had a TC2290. Again, I programmed all my own chorus, flange and delay sounds in that.
Once I had my RSB18 Bradshaw system, there was a TC1210 in there, then a G-Force. H3000 DSE in my studio.
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a short delay is only one component of chorus/flange - what you will get with an unmodulated very short delay is comb-filtering
besides, there is a Modulation parameter in these delays
"Modulation
Induces a delay time modulation to create a lush and chorus-like sound. The delay taps are modulated in different phases to produce a wide stereo image like the Air Chorus, even when the delay times are set to equal values."Yes, that is what I meant. Incorporating the modulation parameters whilst using shorter delay times.
You are right, without the modulation settings, you just have static short delays.
It was just a short answer as to why I would personally want to use sub 40ms delays. Should have expanded and made my answer a little clearer.
I mentioned it to Christoph a long time ago. To do with chromatic delay etc being used for micro pitch shift or modulation effects. Was trying a few different effect types to try and get what I wanted.
I was struggling to get the delay times short enough though. Christoph confirmed back then that delays on the blocks I was using actually didn’t go short enough to do flange or chorus. Wasn’t using Rig Manager either. This was the front panel on my classic Profiler.
Not tried it since to be honest. Might have been fixed a long time ago.
At the time, I was trying to replicate the SPX90 Pitch C setting and also experimenting with getting something close to my Fulltone TERC Tri Stereo Chorus on the TERC’s standard ‘Preset’ setting.
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Yes, that's a good point.
I wish it was as simple as loading my performances/rigs in an empty slot and go from there.
As mentioned, just backup your Stage onto a USB thumb drive. Then, put the latest OS into the root directory of that thumb drive.
Pop it into the hired Stage. Update the OS, then restore your backup after it reboots. They will most likely still be putting the drum mic’s on during the time it takes.
Hire companies shouldn’t expect anything to be set back to factory or to whatever was on it when they deliver it.
This happens with hired keyboards all the time.Did the same for a fly gig in Dublin earlier this year and all was fine. End of the gig, I just put it back in the hire companies case. After the OS was upgraded and I restored from my backup, they were still mic’ing everything up.
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No,They are trs。
Thanks for that.
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I don't have a Player, but from the Kemper description it doesn't look like the two monitor outs are balanced.
"Two TS jacks connect to your home studio or to one or two KEMPER Power Kabinets in full stereo."
Fair enough. The Monitor Outs are however ready to integrate simply into a DI box.
Really not sure about a non standard cable to get stereo from the Main Out.
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If something is too complicated, then you need to learn it better
WOW! Very, very insightful and helpful!
I think that would be Kellerblues Kemper Forum signature and not an actual answer to your question.
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No, you can't do it and i assume it won't come one Day.... All the Kemper family is built like this and they won't change that IMO...
And with the last update, you can send a stereo output via the XLR main one with a dedicated spilt cable (not balanced)....
As an owner of the Player, two Stage units and a classic Kemper Profiler, I am perfectly aware of how the rest of the Kemper family currently operates.
Why do you say that Kemper can’t do it? Do you know of some physical limitation?In my opinion, the non standard unbalanced cable to facilitate stereo to FOH is not ideal.
The actual physical outputs exist to make what I suggest happen. Mono Main Out for onstage sound (if the Cab can be disabled on Main Out) and Stereo balanced from Monitor Outs to FOH.
Of course, all of this is irrelevant if there is some physical reason why the Main Out cannot have the Cab disabled.
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Would love a DBX 160 compressor with all the relevant controls of the original unit.
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Is it possible to have the Cab Off function on the main output of the Player.
Would rather use standard TRS balanced outs from the Monitor Outs for FOH and a mono signal from the Main Out to a Seymour Duncan Powerstage for an onstage cab.
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Yes, never use it either.
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Delay spill-over between presets works very well.
Got that sorted out tonight. I needed to set the mix control on the delay block to ‘Pre’.
So, user error on my behalf. Spillover on delay is all working fine now when morphing.
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Do you have another Kemper unit ?
Do you play outside with a band (do gigs/rehearsals) ?
Is Kemper Stage's size a so important drawback for you ?
Me?
Yes, I have two Kemper Stage units. Used nothing else live since the first day they were released.
Love my Stage units.
A good majority of our gigs are fly gigs. Just trying to see if the Player can be used to save the costs of the Stage flightcases going in the hold of the plane.
Have used one Stage with a single Misson expression pedal in the Kemper backpack for some European gigs over the years.
Even rented a Stage for a fly gig this January in Dublin. Popped my USB in and all was great. Only took the mission pedal and cable.
Taking the Kemper backpack on the plane as hand baggage then means I can’t take my normal Mono backpack with all the other things that I usually take with me on gigs abroad.So, the Player on something like a Pedaltrain Metro 16 is appealing to me for its size. I think it will fit in the back pocket of the Mono backpack.
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well, good to understand the limits of it. Would be great to have the option to assign the output function. Eg, L+R jacks as main and XLR as monitor.
Yes, it makes me wonder if it’s possible to add the ‘Cab Off’ function to the mono Main Out. 🤔
Be good to be able to reverse their intended use.
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Yes, the stereo outs can indeed be used for FOH.
That leaves just the mono Main Out for an onstage cabinet (via my Seymour Duncan Powerstage 200). But there is no function to turn off the ‘Cab’ on the profiles for just the onstage sound if using the Main Out.
So, it’s definitely an option for Monitor Outs to FOH but without the option of a cab onstage.
Not the end of the world as I don’t always use a cab onstage. For festivals I do tend to. -
No, but you knew that when you bought it! It's not a Stage but it is extremely powerful. Enjoy!
Within the unit, it is indeed very powerful. Just hard to get at that power and make full use of it.
I bought this hoping it could save us keep putting flight cases in the hold on our fly gigs.I will be able to use it for one of my bands once I get the morph and delay spillover thing happening.
This was all about getting something small into a backpack on the flights.
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Give it some more time, it's more flexible than you think. Have fun!
Absolutely. Done nothing but try and make it work.
Will mess around with the morph settings again tomorrow. As I stated in my original post, delay spillover and the way I am implementing it with morph is probably just user error in my part. Never had to use Morph on my Stage units.
It’s not going to magically sprout an IEC socket, more pedal and switch sockets, a screen and stereo to FOH though. -
Delay spill-over between presets works very well.
Using Morph?