Always confounds me the Player uses the large headphone plug and the Stage (including MK2) uses the smaller one.
Posts by KrisMil
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There used to be many repairers for classic valve amps and I suspect we are just behind the curve still for repairers of digital equipment.
The problem is it involved software which is a very different skillset.
Anyone fancy starting a business
I can’t comment specifically about Kemper, but it is increasingly common in the pro audio industry for electronic components to be covered in goop or etched such that it is impossible to identify the part. Further, technicians are not supplied technical papers from the manufacturers upon request. Some manufacturers insist the technicians contact them to troubleshoot the issue. Even then, they remain cagey about the topology and components. It’s not that it is a different skill set, it’s more about protecting intellectual property over keeping customers happy.
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Most of those effects aren't available on the base model Player. I took a gamble buying the Player as soon as it was released. The premium effects will never be available on the base Player given their sales strategy now. The NC is a significantly different proposition going forward. I've ordered one and will pit them against each other.
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Counting the noise gate, the NC has 2 more effects than the base Player. The ability to capture and the likely inevitability of future tweaks to the model makes the NC much more of an offering than the base model Player.
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You don’t think the upgrade is significant and relevant given the choice to make similar upgrades to the Player payable options? I think it describes the level of competition in the industry and current state of play. Certainly worthy of forum discussions. Hardly a press release.
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Surely it wasn't difficult to fill in the customs declaration correctly.
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Looks like the free 2.0 upgrade to the Nano Cortex has solved all the effects inadequacy issues. Cheaper to sell the player and buy this than pay for the “levels” in the Player. Smart move.
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I understand your PoV but am curious: what would be fair price for you for Level III, which elevates Player pretty much to 80% of Stage capabilities?
No display and lack of extra footswitch buttons would put this at 50% of the Stage in my opinion. Having said that, it either fits your needs or doesn't.
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I've made a bad bet.... I imagined, it would be less expensive, and /or that loyal customers would be taken in consideration and could have a substential discount but nothing in this sense....
At the end, i just feel like a stupid idiot.
It will be a good lesson....
I'm just disgusted, sad and disapointed....
Agreed. It represent a radical departure from their previous business model (which fostered goodwill and product devotion). I now feel duped by the initial spiel. My previous thoughts:
QuoteGoogle said this when initially searched the product: "The PROFILER Player is a high-level multi-effects processor with a no-jokes tube amp simulation, ask your guitarist
You have to try our rotary speaker Rig"It seems even Kemper didn't really know what this device was.
Then, on the Player web page said:
The PROFILER Player offers a selection of some the finest effects in the world.
I feel it was disingenuous in a deliberate kind of way. It could easily be understood as meaning you have a selection of some of the finest effects in the world (meaning all of Kemper's present offerings). It could also mean you can select some of Kemper's present offerings (assuming they are the finest in the world).
I was waiting for the (free) upgrades. Oh well. It's great for amp simulations - even without the costly upgrades. I'll keep mine. But if I made the decision again today, I would probably just load a few good amp sims on a Tonex One and rely on my real Kempers for the heavy lifting when required.
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MacBooks aren't grounded either. Struggling to shut this thing up. I even bought an electronics anti static device connecting my wrist to the guitar. Still no good. Some of my guitars are very well shielded. No difference.
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I have no noise from my Stage or Head. But the stupid little power supply on the Player (with no ground) is unbearably noisy. Anyone have any clever solutions to shut the interference down on the Player?
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A little screen on the Player would have sufficed. But I do like this idea. I would be concerned with interference from the phone though.
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Thanks G String.
I have all the Profilers.
I'm a glass half full guy though and still believe Kemper will put the Player on a more functional path!
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Clearly you can't.
Would you call it a high-level multi-effects processor with a no-jokes tube amp simulation though? Asking for a friend.
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As I said before - and by your own admission - you should have read first, then ordered.
You’re not happy, and I understand that. You can return it.
But the Player does *exactly* what they said it does. Claiming it should ‘do more’ or call them ‘mini-rigs is crap. Sour grapes.
Type in Kemper Profiler Player in Google and this is what you see on Kemper's own link right now:
"The PROFILER Player is a high-level multi-effects processor with a no-jokes tube amp simulation, ask your guitarist You have to try our rotary speaker Rig"It seems even Kemper doesn't really know what this device is.
Then, on the Player web page it says:
The PROFILER Player offers a selection of some the finest effects in the world.
This is a little disingenuous in a deliberate kind of way. It could easily be understood as meaning you have a selection of some of the finest effects in the world (meaning all of Kemper's present offerings). It could also mean you can select some of Kemper's present offerings (assuming they are the finest in the world).
My interpretation of the above was more than enough for me to pony up the cash. I didn't bother to download the manual before I bought the unit. It's still a fun device - even with its mini-rigs.
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My comment has a very valid point:
Based on empirical evidence gathered over 10 years in this forum, spread over numerous firmware and hardware releases/updates/announcements, there is always somebody who feels the need to point out that the features are not wanted/implemented correctly or in the wrong order, that 'the market' has moved somewhere else etc.
The online 'discussion' will always be led by a very vocal minority.The subject matter of this thread is "Kemper Player: functionality of its big brothers".
It clearly raises issues relating to the functionality of the Player. Which I also did.
I apologise if I have offended anyone with my conditional and varied love for different Kemper products - it seems my love needs to be unconditional here.
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I believe you will not be the only one that thinks this.
I understand the player is NOT just a smaller stage. I also think that many will infer that it is despite what the documentation states.
The difference between "profile", rig and performance are details that are easily missed by non KPA advanced owners.
This will continue to be a problem IMO because the market has been conditioned to think this way by other competing products.
Maybe we could start a thread asking for a "Kemper Player Plus" 😁
The Player still has "rigs" - it's just that they are not as comprehensive.
Maybe a new name like "mini-rigs" or, (if I'm being rude), "handicapped-rigs" is appropriate.
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Just curious. Where did you buy it that doesn't have a return policy?
Direct from Kemper. I don't even know their return policies tbh.
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We didn't have a 'you guys developed the wrong product / added the wrong feature' post for a while
/sHi Don, I've been on forums a long time - not this one, admittedly. I see you're a moderator and appear to have reached god-mode, which seems to encourage pointless comments like you made above. The truth is that the Player isn't receiving amazing feedback online. I have a Stage and a Toaster and I think I know enough about the Kemper models and their competitors to know the Player has limited appeal. I think the Player will only redeem itself by offering all the effects (and same number of effect slots). It's a forum opinion - a first in the annals of history!
I've had a pleasing path with Kemper products because they were committed to innovating their existing products. I've been quite amazed and grateful for the increased functionality added to my Stage and Toaster over the years.
It seems the Player may see some innovations under a user pays approach. This is a departure from what they have been doing up until now. In truth, I have been conditioned to expect free upgrades to the Player. So I bought it as soon as it was released. Many will say "Why shouldn't Kemper charge for upgrades?". Fair enough, let the market decide how valuable they are.
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I’m not sure what innovation you could ask for that hasn’t already been introduced. Especially for so much less than the larger units. The fact it exists at all is surprising to me.
The Player is something thats been asked for for….….ever.
The Kemper effects are enviable. The unit is heavily compromised by not including them. A tiny screen naming the rig (and even for tuning) would have been more than useful. I'm not even sure, but is 50 rig slots the limit? It's ok. It would have been mind blowing 5 years ago. But it isn't where the market is right now.
