A little off topic-
I have a similar setup here with a Motu interface and Kemper. Just noticing you are using Wasapi as your audio driver. Is there some benefit to Wasapi? As opposed to the Asio driver?
(never tried it)
Posts by Lobsta
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Seems very simple to me. How about just route the Kemper's output to the Motu interface?
Anything the Kemper outputs would be playable thru the interface by monitoring that Motu input, right?
In the Motu Cuemix software just unmute whatever the incoming connection is.
When you're done reamping, switch the audio device in Reaper back to Motu.
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Had it, got rid of it and absolutely doesn’t regret it.
I agree with Kellerblues, the desktop software is a disaster.
This is obviously very subjective, I didn’t like the high gain profiles at all, they felt thin and fizzy.
Also, I don’t know if it was a latency thing but the response felt « slow » to me.Pretty much what happened here! Got rid of it quickly.
Think of it like this- if you like IKmultimedia Amplitube, you'll probably like the Tonex, that's what the models sound like (Amplitube). The captures are a different story, some of them are actually pretty good.
The dealbreaker for me was how noisy it was. Massive buzz and hum that none of my other equipment has issues with!
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No, but my power rack has a few times not turned on, when the chicken head knob is turned to the browser position. It wouldn't turn on until I moved it to off and back a few times.
Maybe the pots inside get dirty or corroded over time and short out and do crazy stuff?
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I have a power rack so it might be different, but using USB makes the Kemper your audio interface. Any monitoring would be done through the Kemper, either the headphone jack or using another Kemper output connection to another device.
There's a few settings to look at in rig mgr, such as profiler/audio mode, and the usb reamping/direct monitor output setting.
Good Luck!
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Have you downloaded and installed Motu's software for Mac?
Hard to compare, but the software for PC includes a mixer program, hopefully it's similar on Mac.
I have the M5, and the CueMix mixer program allows you to control any input to go to any output, there is no latency at all! Again, that's on PC, but try it out!
I wouldn't recommend monitoring through your DAW, there will always be some latency delay.
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Sounds interesting. Still trying to solve all these issues myself.
Care to share one of your profiles?
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Thanks! I'm not familiar with Logic, but sounds like it has some excellent tools to help. If the tool you mentioned is anything like Reaper's reainsert plugin, I think it would have to be used with the Kemper in 'reamp' mode. Thanks for reminding me of that one!- I just tested the reainsert ping in reamp mode.
Update: switched from recording the amp signal (Profiler 2) to the DI signal (Profiler 1), which seemed to make more sense as it's just pure signal. Now I'm getting consistent results every time, no fluctuation in values.
Click track played in Reaper, recorded on Profiler 1 = -520 samples offset needed vs driver reported latency.
Pinged in Reamp mode with Reainsert= -629 samples offset needed vs driver reported latency.
Switching to recording/testing using the DI signal may have solved it for me. I'll try these settings for now.
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The question relates to recording in the DAW with the Kemper as your audio interface, and how to measure the timing accuracy of the recorded track.
Assume that you are monitoring with the Headphone jack...
Here's how I've done it with a usb audio interface: Play a click track in the daw. Run a cable from the headphone jack to the input. Record. Measure the amount of samples the recorded track differs from the tempo grid. Enter that amount in Reaper's recording offset. Retest. With the Motu interface it is 18 samples off, and every time you test, it's exactly 18 samples. 18 samples is basically nothing, so I could have left it, but adjusted the recording offset anyway. After adjustment, the recorded click is absolutely on the grid, on time, every time. In Reaper they call it 'use audio driver reported latency', and you can enter an offset value to get it right on.
Maybe I'm going at it wrong (that's what I am asking), but here's what I tried with the Kemper Rack- Play a click track in Reaper daw. Run a cable from the headphone jack to the front input.
Record. Measure. It's huge, from 500-800 samples off time/off the grid. I tried turning off the amp stack, and it's in the 550 samples off time range. The additional issue is that it is a different value every single try, anywhere from 30-50 samples either direction, pretty random. Whereas with the Motu interface, it's always exactly the same.I did a similar test (without the extra cable) for reamping thru USB, it was a similar result. Re-amping seems even more crucial to get aligned, and on time.
So, the concern is, is what is being recorded being accurately recorded in time? When you play it back is it exactly on the grid as you played it? And how to adjust for the optimal accuracy? And also how to measure it properly?
If anyone has some experience or insight into how they do it, please advise!
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In Rig MGR you can choose Profiler/audio mode- choose Native Audio (asio)
Check that setting 1st, then it should work!
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I would also check some of your usb power settings in windows. That could easily add noise:
Try everything in the 'Power Options' section. One of those got rid of some noise here.
If you have other devices connected, or programs running, try stopping/disconnecting those too...
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Don't know if this helps at all, but in Reaper DAW I can connect to the Kemper USB with both 'DirectSound' and 'Waveout' chosen as the audio system.
(Instead of choosing ASIO, you choose one of those.) It shows up as Digital Audio Interface (Profiler)
It's not ASIO, but still way better than ASIO4All....
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I bet it will sound amazing!
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Also try USB recording. Should sound 100% the same when played back.
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Wow, the EMG-81 sounds really bad to me, overly saturated and thin and buzz saw like.
#3 is the best!
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Tidal Disruption!
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Also, for recording, why not do a test comparison using the Kemper as the USB audio device?
Meaning: monitor your playing and the DAW playback using the Kemper's headphone jack, selecting the profiler as your usb audio device in the DAW. That way you can test to possibly eliminate the audio interface and any connections as the issue. All that is used is your guitar cable, usb cable, and headphones. If there's no more annoying noise recording this way, then that might indicate the issue is with your interface or connections or possibly a computer setting.
Pretty easy to setup in Reaper DAW on PC, using 'DirectSound' or 'WaveOut', as the audio system, hopefully there is a similar method in your DAW program.
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Tomorrow i'll try with a different DAW (cakewalk). I'm scared that monitoring through DAW could lead to input delay, that does not occurr monitoring through kemper.
Totally agree. Also, If you listen through the Kemper headphone jack, the recorded tracks should sound exactly the same on playback,
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As I see it there are still many places, the Kemper is lacking behind in nowadays’ competitors solutions. Why is that so wrong to express the following:
- A better USB connectivity. As the solution now is not of interest to me and saw me having to buy a new audio interface and use S/Pdif again. Which is fine though. But I’ve wanted the USB solution for ages and was ecstatic by the news of it arriving only to realize that it’s not meeting my demands at all.
OK, how so?
Works amazingly well here using 'WaveOut' in the daw (on PC). Accuracy when using Kemper's headphone jack for monitoring is exact.
So much better/easier for recording and monitoring than what I was doing before: analog through an interface.
Integrated drivers have been announced, which should be even better. Hopefully they release soon!
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1st impression- Incredible!
Try this- load one of Guidorists new liquid profiles, change the EQ settings to a little more extreme. Switch back to the 'Kemper Generic' eq amp model. Night and Day- totally blows away the Kemper generic!
As you scroll through all the different models, they all sound so much better, much more real than "Kemper Generic".
