As we get older this is the worst nightmare for us guitar players and musicians in general: Not to be able to play..
All the best my friend. I hope you will get better as soon as possible!
As we get older this is the worst nightmare for us guitar players and musicians in general: Not to be able to play..
All the best my friend. I hope you will get better as soon as possible!
Have you been watching Angine de Poitrine?
People who are used to berber music (Morocco) are not that "surprised" by these sounds (maqam scales).
My arsenal of tube amps was "to big & loud" for the new situation I found myself in after I left the country I was born in for the country of my parents.
I needed a paradigm change. Small. Reliable. No "junk" or "boutique" which would need frequent costly service & upgrades. Reasonable priced. With good service and ofcourse it should be "available" everywhere.
The KPA was and is still (more than ever) the "full package".
There are other solutions which are "better" tweaking tools or sound "closer" to the original.
But the overall solutions the KPA offers are still unreached and without competition. You can play it and forget that it is a digital device.
Display MoreSorry for the delay in responding to this...
I agree that we are coming from a very high starting point. My only points were in my case it wasn't night and day difference and I also may have skewed some of the results - for example, with my player I used a separate ( Cheaper/inferior) power amp and so some of the effects don't port across the same.
I am a high gain player ( I need the gain to cover up my sloppy playing!) but I didn't notice it react any better or worse.
Having said that, I did have more of a play after this post and I did feel as if there was a bit more clarity. I couldn't do a true A/B test because I've left my rack on V13 as I have a few gigs at the moment. I also struggle a little between the Player and my Rack, mainly because I spend very little time with my player ( its been in the back of my car as an emergency backup since I had it, probably only switched it on 4 or 5 times!!
Based on my results, its not enough to get a new unit on its own BUT I also trust what others have said and I WILL get a mk2 unit at my earliest point.
As I said, probably not useful feedback from me!!
Your answer is very helpful for me. I tend to wait a little bit more until I get me the player. Thanx for your comment my friend!
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this video is interesting regarding null tests.
It's not the v2 profile but v1. On the really shorts loops, the kemper v1 profile is the most far from real....but he explain very well why at the end, it doesn't matter.
maybe off topic ...
Exactly. As I said some time long ago..maybe it matters if you want to profile a dog whistle..
I agree we all worry too much and that you buy the product for what it is. I do think Kemper (and all digital amp products) live in a weird space. It's a tech based product running on hardware and software, but lives in the world of non-tech products like amps and pedals. So -
If you see MK2 as a piece of technology similar to a smartphone or computer, naturally you'll ask what's new, what's been upgraded.
If you view MK2 as a piece of music gear similar to say an amp or pedal, you likely do not care what's on the inside - you care how it plays and sounds.
It us really all about what we want to believe. Really. I am very happy with the sounds I have in the kpa1 and I am even more happy to keep my self into the kemper biotope of things.
Today all the stuff is more than good enough to express ourselves. I am tired arguing about "null tests" and all that. Don't want to sound graphic but we rather should spend our time playing our guitars.
I updated my Stage MK1 to the 14.0 beta for 2.0 profiling. The 2.0 profile does react better on the beta for MK1. Here's what I've noticed so far using a Marshall 2.0 profile on my Player and MK1 Stage:
- Clean up with volume roll off and dynamic response is significantly better with 2.0 profiling (even on the MK1 Stage)
- The texture of the gain is better with 2.0 profiling
- Michael Britt described 2.0 as taking a blanket off of the speaker/profile - I would agree
- Michael Britt described 2.0 as a more 3D sound - I would agree
- The low end of the profile has cleaned up a lot (even on the MK1 Stage)
Thank you!
Display MoreMy experience with 2.0.....I caveat this highly with the fact that I've had about 10 mins to mess around with it whilst my puppy kept jumping up and down on my laptop...
I have a Mk1 rack and player, I upgrade the player only to 14 and kept the rack at 13, so there is a direct comparison.
I loaded a few 2.0 profiles and they sound great...but....back to back with my rack, very similar sound and I'm not feeling or hearing much difference.
Couple of points that could explain this:
1) I didn't do a true A/B test as I was using different profiles and a slightly different set up for each ( different power amps).
2) As mentioned I didn't spend a long time on this
3) I'm a fairly clumsy player, not listening for dynamics etc so I might not be picking up the nuances
I nearly didn't post this because I don't think its helpful and I'm certainly not concluding that 2.0 is not worth it.
I'm also not bothered about "proving any difference", but my observations are that I can hear a minor difference, mainly around clarity. The Peavey 6505 Dill rigs sound really good BTW!
It also did remind me what a fantastic starting point we already have.
Another point to mention, as I've had previously, when I upgraded, few settings seemed to shift? Now this could have been me trying to load some rigs I built on my rack into a Level 1 player, which does throw some things, so I'm unsure if this is correct. The settings are reverb and delay where the mix seemed very high. The cause could also be legacy effects...
I am wondering anyway how much "better" the mk 2 can be since I am very happy with the current profiles I have on the mk1.
I still have to get me a PLAYER so when I get it I will do my first steps into the mk2 world. We will see..
But to be honest I don't expect to much. For the simple reason I am already very happy with the sounds I have and hardly can imagine how much "better" they could get.
PS
You are mainly a high gain player if I remember correctly; Would you say that high gain leads feel more dynamic/react "better to the fingers" (legato,hammer on/pull offs etc)?
Display MoreI agree with you completely. I am just hoping that the new profiling is released soon. While these points (like the one you just made) are very valid, there are still lots of people that land on profiling accuracy as their holy grail. I personally disagree .... by orders of magnitude ;).
Example: Is the venerable Morgan AC20 rig ACTUALLY accurate? If it isn't, does that suddenly make it sound bad?
Kemper's unique ability to take an amp, profile it, share it with the community, and then EACH of us tweak it to sound best to our ears using our gear.... I really do think this is the best part of Kemper. The ability to get great tone to your own ears using your own equipment .... and fast.
I will be very happy if the new profiling leaves the NULL test with no signal at all (perfect NULL).... Even if it does, is there anyone here that DOESN'T believe that anyone EXCEPT the person that made the profile will end up tweaking it to sound good to them with their gear?
My personal belief is that Kemper as a company has really kinda missed the marketing boat on this one. By making the case that Kemper's value lies almost completely in its ability to profile an amp so close that it is indistinguishable from the original, so many other things that Kemper does better than anyone else are brushed over.
Anyway, it is likely that MK2 and new profiling will put the Null-O's to rest.
That's their thing. No hype,no "hysteria",always cautious not to appear over exaggerating. I already talked about the definition function as an a example for this.
I think one of their main pillars of how they want to do marketing is to let their product talk for itself. This is a very strange way of marketing in our time and for sure often does not work well on the short run but on the long run..the KPA is still the "standard with the Pros".
And the people in the end will use what the pros use for their recordings & live shows.
People keep seeing this “if it sounds good, who cares” argument — and sure, that works… if you bought a modeler. But Kemper isn’t sold as a modeler. It’s a profiler. The whole point is that it’s supposed to capture your amp’s tone with high fidelity. If accuracy doesn’t matter, then why not just grab any unit that sounds decent and call it a day?
Null tests aren’t about ruining the vibe — they’re about checking if the device does what it claims. If it doesn’t, and others do it better, that’s not nitpicking. That’s just holding gear to the standard it advertises.
Yes. Exactly.
You can "grab" Indeed "any unit and call it a day" and they will sound all good!
This is a fact. For some years (3-4) now.
But will they all have a gazillion profiles to choose from? Will they have seamless switching,performance mode,morphing and all the well thought big and small little things me personally make to don't even consider"anything else" and I know I am not the only one to think this way?
Let me tell you an example why the KPA is still "ahead of its time":
Line6 right now is making big noise about "a function" of their new modeler which "makes every amp model sound much better" and "very different" from the "original modelled amp".
We already have this since more than a decade with the "definition"-function in the KPA. No other modeler has this,L6 will be the first company which tries to offer this after all this time.
Just one example.
Display MoreThanks. I haven't been thinking about how different mics, mic placement, room acoustics, etc effect the signal recorded!
Most people have been laser focused on how accurate the recorded sound is to the playback using null testing.
The tiny differences between null tests would have to pale beside the differences in recording techniques IMO.
I wonder if there are any comparisons of Kemper with kab to other capture devices with a FRFR speaker compared to the real amp and can in the room.
Anyway, I think MKII is likely to have more accurate captures, but my biggest hope is for the huge number of new profiles that will be made using the most recent efx, lp, and the new profiling.
Good stuff coming for sure 😃
Actually capturing a whole rig "to our taste" means pretty much that we colour the result heavily & drastically.
It is debatable how much it is solely a "thing" of the modeler. And ofcourse as I said so often here we already have the technology in form if all the modelers we already use. Tone X(now there is a tone X II with better capturing/profiling!!),NAM,FRACTAL,CORTEX etc..how much "more accurate" do we need?
What's the point? If Christoph said 10 years ago the profiling was "perfect" should that mean he's never allowed to attempt to improve it? Or are we just going to run around with the quote to embarrass the guy?
To me actions speak a lot louder than words. If the new profiling is a big step forward, that will tell the story. If it's nothing to write home about, that will tell the story.
I agree 100%. Actually there is no "point" beyond that the Kemper profiling is still top class and pretty much still "the standard" of many,many professionals.
If this can get any better I am fine with that. As I said before. I described my point of view already often enough in this thread.
I have searched through his interviews and have not found any where he says that. The closest I've been able to find is where he says he would like the KPA to be perfect. But I can't seem to find any where he claims it is perfect, or claims that it can't be improved. But if you know of someplace where he said that, please share a link.
Ok. If I find his comments ie this issue I will post it.
Do you have a link to a reference for that quote from Christoph?
He said this several times over the last decade. I don't have a link available yet. I would have to search for it.
That’s not what he said, though.
He said they’d taken the process as far as they could. Not that it was perfect.
Clearly, he/they figured something out.
Hmm..will mark knopfler sell his kempers gen 1 and buy the KPA2??
Or is he already happy with his sounds of the kpa1 he already has??
This is a..question I have on this issue.
You sure understand what I want to say.
I hear what you are saying, but the whole major feature of the MK2 is the new Profiling Process which - in paraphrasing Kempers own words - is going to be the "most powerful" - which logically means to me - best out there when it comes out.
The new process from the very little we know is going to be at least partially ML / AI based and will require the use of a separate Computer.
So yes ... the Legacy MK1 / Old Profiling method was as good as possible / unimprovable.
But this new upcoming MK2 process is a whole new ball-game.
At least that is what Kemper are promising.
The tricky part of all this discussion is that there is nowhere a clear advise how to achieve the "best profile/capture" with the "best profile/capturing"-ability.
Mics,preamps,eqs and ofcourse the know how and years of experience in recording/mic placing post editing.
That is the main reason I am in general a little bit sceptical about this whole discussion.
And..the modelers available are all already good enough. They all sound "good". The are all powerful tools. To the degree that I personally believe that the only way to achieve a "better sound" is...to improve our playing. Especially ie the part of playing which makes us "sound better" like ,phrasing, accurateness,vibrato & bendings etc..
I don’t understand people that don’t understand when it doesn’t make sense to use a null test.
It make some sense for profiling the dog whistle tho..
I am one of those that don't utilize the profiling capability myself, but use other's profiles and tweak.
Something I am looking forward to is a whole bunch of people making new profiles complete with LP, new efx, new profiling, etc .... giving me access to a brand new batch of great profiles to choose from :).
For me, it isn't even about if I can tell the difference, it's about how it sounds in the mix live. Anyone that tells me they can tell the difference between a Kemper and a real amp live ..... well, they are just not being truthful IMO.
So while I don't expect that new profiles will be so much more exact than the current profiles that it becomes audibly "better" in most cases, I do expect that lots of people will be sending in new profiles with the latest features and efx .... and that is actually a really great thing!
To be quite honest I don't care that much finding "new sounds" in the RM anyore .. I am very happy with the profiles I use for years now.
And to tell you "the truth" I find that the "colour" in the midrange that some people complain about is something some lads I know find very "useful" for some of their profiles. As far as I understand it gives them "more punch" within complex band environments and on stage.
Also one thing most people forget..
We want the "most accurate" profiles of our rigs but use a cheap sm-57 to mic the rig to profile them!?
How funny..
I don't know anyone who uses "super accurate" super expensive Neumanns & Brauners to do this.
I dont understand people that do not understanding the point of null tests.
Everyone understands the point of null tests.
But again..we talk about making music.
Some producers like to use 5000$ "super accurate" Brauner microphones to catch the voice of a singer some others take a cheap 50$ chinese dynamic mic to catch the Voice of a singer.
You use what sounds best and what fits to the music you want to make. Only the result matters.
I will be "happy" if the null test will give us 100% "accuracy" but I am not sure if this will lead 100% to "better" profiles. Because if this would be the case all the pro-musicians and the pro-recording studios who still use the KPA would sell it and use NAM or whatever "new" modellers with "100% accurate" null tests are already on the market. But this is definitely NOT the case.
We will see.
I'm sure everyone here is waiting on pins and needles just because we WANT to know how effective the change will be ...... while simultaneously knowing that what we have already sounds pretty amazing.
Most guys will not hear and feel a difference even if there is some.
Let us not forget that...not so long ago Kemper said that the profiling is as perfect as it can be and..almost everyone here in this forum agreed to this.
Anyway. It will come when it is ready.