I think this is on Topic.
In June Kemper officially announced 2.0 Profiling would be here by Summer.
Clearly this is taking longer than planned - nothing unusual or unique about that.
However ... given Kemper made an official Announcement in June about Summer ... surely they could make another official announcement now about the new hoped for / expected release timeframe ?
I truly don't think this a big ask.(?)
IMO - If news were going to drop at Guitar Summit, it would have been one of the - if not the very first things they did to drive traffic to the booth.
What’s the point in announcing/releasing new stuff mid-show (it’s 4pm there now) or on the final day?
None.
If your right ... that would strongly suggest to me that their hoped for timeline is lagging much more than they had hoped for.
So is there a proper Y/T Video due to drop in the next day or so ..... that was the impression I got ?
Hey all !
I could be wrong but Guitar Summit in Germany is I think (?) Sept 26-28 and I think (?) Kemper has a booth there.
Only days after the end of the German Summer too .... so I'm betting $2 that's when its "released" to the Public.
Ben
The old Kemper manuals indicate a 108dB dynamic range on the line in whereas the new ones (and this page on Kemper’s website) indicate that the Mk II models have a 127dB dynamic range.
I *thought* the Dynamic Range on the MK1 and MK2 was the same .... the 108db range if for the Returns / Sends (?)
You’re welcome
No one really knows, when it’s released. Patience is a virtue
Totally agree.
The fact though that the website still reads as it did on "MK2 Day 1" is a very good sign that they are, i.m.h.o, broadly / generally on track
It’s still there
“A new Era of PROFILING: KEMPER announces a new PROFILING technology for the MK 2 series. Availabilty is expected during Summer. Currently in extended testing with some selected third-party PROFILE vendors the new PROFILING offers:”
Cool. Thanks ! That's promising as that suggests to me things are going well and they will release "roughly" around the timeframe that they initially hoped too ie: Summer or [hopefully] not too long after
.... is it just me, but I just did a quick scan of the website and now I cant find -any- reference as to when the new MK2 Profiling Engine is hoped to be released by (?)
At initial launch, it said they were aiming for Summer 2025 ..... but I now cant see any reference to that anywhere on the official website (?)
Am I missing something really obvious on the web site pages ?
Well ..... its 21 days to go and counting down
If its going to be "late" I think an official statement from CK / Kemper would be very well received I would suggest.
I don’t think ML/AI is involved. There was a fake announcement early on that said it was - but that was debunked.
Their official release said “A cutting-edge hybrid approach combining precise, deterministic analog measurement with KEMPER's industry-leading profiling intelligence…”
Deterministic analog measurement has been around for….ever. It is something completely different from ML/AI.
No doubt the new process is very closely linked to the Kemper Amp Gain / EQ Stacks they modelled for Liquid Profiling.
My best guess is that they have further improved this and added more new Gain / EQ Amp Stacks.
My other best guess is that the new "training" process will be off-boarded to a Computer - and if so, there will be some sort of ML / AI element.
Will know very soon I would expect.
Either way, the NDA's amongst the testers are holding totally water tight
Most guys will not hear and feel a difference even if there is some.
Let us not forget that...not so long ago Kemper said that the profiling is as perfect as it can be and..almost everyone here in this forum agreed to this.
Anyway. It will come when it is ready.
I hear what you are saying, but the whole major feature of the MK2 is the new Profiling Process which - in paraphrasing Kempers own words - is going to be the "most powerful" - which logically means to me - best out there when it comes out.
The new process from the very little we know is going to be at least partially ML / AI based and will require the use of a separate Computer.
So yes ... the Legacy MK1 / Old Profiling method was as good as possible / unimprovable.
But this new upcoming MK2 process is a whole new ball-game.
At least that is what Kemper are promising.
Does the WiFi Android App Access and Adjust the Global EQ in the Kemper Player ?
The Kemper is primarily optimized for playing guitar. Its strength lies in tone and feel, not unnecessary technical gimmicks. It connects well with computers, routers, and MIDI devices, but if you want more technology, features, or extras, you can simply choose something else. For those who value what matters most: great tone and playing feel, the Kemper is the perfect device. Nobody needs to stick with Kemper if they’re not happy with it.
I agree with this sentiment.
I would just add though that if you can have all that -and- C.K can (?) make the MK2 Profiling way more accurate than the MK1 then that is a %100 no lose for anyone and a %100 gain for everyone
For me, free, open-source NAM is still hard to beat. It is reliable no matter what you overdrive the power amp by, or whether you have a built-in noise gate. They will work accordingly. The Kemper is only an approximation, not a copy-paste version, of how it works.
Re: the new MK2 Profiling process / accuracy ... there are really only 5 options:
1 => it will sound about the same as MK1 Legacy Profiling accuracy
2 => it will sound better than MK1 Legacy Profiling accuracy
3 => it will be much closer to NAM/Tonex Profiling accuracy
4 => it will be about the the same as NAM/Tonex Profiling accuracy
5 => it will be better than NAM/Tonex Profiling accuracy
Only time will tell
...... well ..... the German Summer ends in just over 7 weeks, so not too long to go ..... of course it may drop sooner (?)
Given this thread is an open discussion re: Kemper MK 2 vs Competition, there is one thing that immediately jumps to my mind.
And my apologies if this has already been addressed in this thread or elsewhere.
So .... we all know that Null Tests are *not* everything, but its as good a measure as we have for objectively comparing the "accuracy" of an Amp Copy compared to the original reference Amp.
In this regard, the NAM software capturing process, is currently and provably, "the most accurate" Amp "copier out there - for a static snapshot it must be emphasized.
So .... are people thinking (?) -or- is Kemper saying or aiming (?) for the new MK2 Profiling process to be at least as accurate as the NAM Software process (?)
I ask this because if the answer and eventually is shown to be yes and provably true (?) ... if you then combine this with the Liquid Profile Process-Gain-EQ-Stacks ... then it would leap-frog anything else out there by some distance (?)
These are VERY big hurdles to overtake though (?)
Any thoughts / comments / insights ?
Ben
In terms of guitar amp sound capturing—yes, we are spoiled. 😄 All it is, really, is a bunch of distorted tones. But when you look at it through the lens of recreating the tone of rare amplifiers or studio gear, it suddenly holds more meaning.
Some years ago, we could scan rare historical books or paintings with limited resolution. Now the resolution is higher—and the process is faster—so we can preserve and re-experience sonic history with astonishing fidelity.
It’s no longer just about capturing the buzz or crunch of a distorted signal—it’s about bottling the soul of gear that shaped the sound of generations. The warmth of a vintage tube amp, the subtle coloration of a preamp from a legendary studio—these aren’t just tones, they’re time machines.
And thanks to today's tech, we get to play those ghosts like they were right in the room with us. Not bad for “just a bunch of distorted tones,” huh?
I do agree
My "comment" was simply to highlight in *this* example, the MK1 KPA was way off the "mark" and the QC was pretty much equally off the mark too. So if you have your rig to sound great at Sound X ... and you want to "copy" it for digital use, isn't it a given that the closest/best copy will sound closer and better .... surely that's an objective given ?
I am really hoping / wanting C.K to work his magic so the new MK2 Process surpasses NAM / TONEX ... as that is what Kemper have publicly said it will do.
Yes that is true for some amps. And not true for others. Would be great if Kemper mk2 could perform better in situations like this for instance:
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Certainly in ^this video^ example, the MK1 KPA Profile is audibly and noticeably easily "the least accurate" - like by a long way ...and mind you, the QC aint much better.
Fingers crossed for the new MK2 Profiling Process. I think it is fair to say that if this were a race, its currently "at the back of the pack" 
Lets hope C.K and the team can deliver on the promises they've made in the MK2 release info.
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Hey Michael !
Apologies if you have already been asked this, but with the advent of the new MK2 Profiling Process, I'm hoping (?) you will begin releasing ongoing MK2 Profile Packs ?
All the best,
Ben
I have absolutely zero doubt that C.K and the Kemper Team all know exactly how precise and accurate NAM and Tonex are.
They also will know how the MK1 Kemper Aliases - in short - more precision is better - less aliasing is better
Now whether or not the aliasing in the MK1 or MK2 is sufficiently “masked” by the primary signal, will depend on each individuals ears - and yes - aliasing is cumulative - so each digital block adds to it.
But I digress.
We know the MK2 Website it will be the "most precise amp recreation ever achieved".
This can only mean one thing.
The new MK2 Profiling Process and System will deliver provably better and more accurate Amp "copies" than either Tonex or NAM - both in terms of null testing and aliasing tests - each very simple to do and test.
This claim is totally unambiguous - it is not open to if’s or but’s or maybe’s.
Personally, I genuinely and sincerely -hope- C.K and KPA will deliver on their claim.
If they do, and it is demonstrated to be so, I will be first in line to grab [another] Stage - MK2 of course
My only point - and time will soon tell - is that C.K's / Kemper's claim is one hell-of-an-enormous claim - they have left themselves absolutely zero wiggle room if it does not deliver.
Whether you or I or anyone else cares or can hear the differences etc… is irrelevant - it either will be or it wont be - and that is not hard at all to objectively determine.
Next month or so is going to be really cool / interesting
