Posts by ggo_101

    Are the 8 USB audio channels for the player as well? I'm a bit confused since the player is part of the mk 2 lineup according to what I've read everywhere, but the first point in the changelog goes through the effort to mention the player separately which makes it seem like it is seen as a different entity in these notes.

    I bought the Profiler Player when it was released as my first (and so far only) Kemper due to budget constraints. The new releases from other companies always gave me semi remorse thinking I may like the competition more.

    But now? With all the options the Player is getting (including actual profiling) it really is the best possible option to get for the price by a long shot. Haters don't have a leg to stand on anymore if they complain about the price. It's more than worth it.

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    I always defended the price of the effects the upgrade brings, but now Tonex offers effects in a free update for all tonex products (even the 200 EUR Tonex One) it became quite a bit harder to justify the full upgrade cost...

    I wonder if/how Kemper will respond to this.

    Interesting past few weeks with first the Nano Cortex, that then got one upped by the Player upgrades, that now got one upped by the free Tonex Effects update.

    Yeah, but then you need to factor in the price of the tablet or phone as well… And that will make it twice as expensive. There hasn’t really been any directly comparable situation since the L6 model packs. But when Helix Native came out, there was a loyalty offer for owners of the hardware.

    I am coming to terms with the way Kemper are doing things. The ONLY things I am dissatisfied with are actually the price and the lack of a loyalty upgrade offer.

    Saying you need to add the price of phones and tablets isn't fair. Most people already own those so it's no added cost for them.

    I have the Morningstar MC6 Mk II as well as the Ampero Controller. The MC6 is great for its screen. The Ampero is decent: it doesn't have a very functional display (it only indicates the Bank and Pedal you last selected), but is slimmer profile/form factor is better when I'm using my Player for gigs (it takes up way less real estate).

    If you were only getting one controller, which of the 2 would you suggest? Really torn between these exact 2 models.

    Morningstar is obviously the superior option, but it's big. On the other hand, it may be more versatile if I ever expand to another setup than the Kemper player.

    The main benefit of the Ampero is it's size.

    Really unsure which of these two is the best option tbh.

    Not saying used gear is a bad choice for purchase. But comparing cost of new vs cost of something else used makes no sense. I can get a used X for the price of a new Y doesnt mean the Y is overpriced or not worth the cost.

    I've said this exact thing many times on multiple forums. People just respond "that I don't get it".

    The reality is that they are making up arguments that don't make sense in a desperate attempt to "be right".

    Your post sort of confirms my software/hardware point. You compare the amount of switches which is a pure hardware thing. The difference between Kemper, line6, fractal, neural DSP etc isn't the hardware. Those are probably almost identical. It's in the software.

    These devices are nothing but shells for software to run, what we really buy is the software.

    I don't think this is really correct. While the guts might become identical to the Stage, the I/O options and buttons/display do not. Even if you buy a player and add the upgrades and buy a remote you are at the same price as a Stage, but still lack the massive I/O of 2 stereo loops, stereo XLR, two stereo jack, headphone, digital etc I/O.

    So saying a Player becomes a Stage for just 299€ upgrade is not exactly right.

    That's why I mentioned 90% :p For a lot of people the player I/o is enough and if it isn't the stage is a better choice

    I honestly feel like all of this is fueled by greed. Not Kemper their greed, but the greed and entitlement of customers.

    Do they really expect Kemper to sell something with 90% of the stage features at 50% of the price? That would be a stupid decision that would destroy stage sales.

    I don't see it as a scam that forces us to pay more to get "software already in our product"

    It's an option to pay less to avoid the features we don't need because let's be real, if they released the fully unlocked player as the only version it'd be at 1k EUR and a lot of people who own and enjoy using one now would be priced out (including me).

    I would've loved a cheaper price as well, 200 for both levels would be ideal to me since I am priced out of the current upgrade package as well. The Kemper player was a big splurge for me, I can't afford 300 EUR for the upgrade in my current financial situation while I do really really want it.

    But grow up people. If you look at what you are getting and compare it to all the other options out there, you aren't being ripped off. It's in line with what the others cost or even cheaper.

    People are just mad because there is this weird entitlement that hardware should be expensive and software should be cheap. That isn't how it works. In this current day and age software is where the labor and magic happens.

    I think this prices a crazy high.

    I agree that it's quite a bit higher than expected.

    But on the other hand, it makes the Kemper player a smaller more portable stage without the possibility to profile and with less buttons. The stage costs 400 euros more than a fully unlocked player.

    The price feels too high, but once you compare it to the stage it feels "fair". Won't be a day one purchase for me like I thought it would be though.

    I would personally find 100 euro per level to be a sweet spot but it is what it is

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    All details other than pricing. Far more extra features than I expected. It litterally is a smaller stage without profiling with all this unlocked

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    All details other than pricing. Far more extra features than I expected. It litterally is a smaller stage without profiling with all this unlocked

    I feel like this is in a weird in between position between the Tonex and Kemper player.

    Price wise it's right in between them. It adds some effects so it has more than the Tonex, but it is far more limited than the Player (which is already too limited for a lot of people) which causes it to not work as a standalone unit. It doesn't even have an overdrive effect slot.

    If you want just amp captures, the Tonex does that for a lot less money. If you want all in one, the nano cortex can't offer that but the Kemper Player can for about 150 EUR more.

    What position does this leave the nano cortex in?

    I had my wallet ready to buy one, but now the specs are out I see no reason at all to get it over a player.