GB's Liquid folder in RM has the Pea V 5150 4 which is pretty badass. But yes! Give us mo
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Yes, there will be more.
We are currently working on a number of amp types, that we consider to be relevant as well.
There will be e.g. Bogner and Diezel, and an additional number of Fender Types.
Ampeg too.
Some of the new Fenders share the same gain and tonestack structure as the Vibrolux.
That is the Pro, Bandmaster, Tremolux and Vibroverb.
We have decided to still feature them as separate Amp Types, so while still making the same sonical impact, they will display the exact type of the profiled amp.
Nice work Chris. Try do badcat stuff as there unique sounding. My fav knob of any amp is the badcat hotcat EDGE knob. I dont know what it does but it introduces valve goodness, a kind of buzz thats what we like about overdrive. This would be a amazing feature on any amp. The badcat pedal xtremetone is a hotcat preamp so you could steal it from there. Maybe look into that or have it as a all round feature on the kempers toneshaping. Thanks
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Agreed - I think they should just publish whcih tonestacks are similar.
As an ENGL profile user, I would appreciate this though..
I think im over the matching of tonestacks already though. I keep going towards the vox tonestracks no mater what profile im using. The cut knobs vert sensitive an halfing the brightcap gets me tasty results on heavier tones.
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It literally says 'Amp Model' in the EQ section
blonde moment
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They will slowly do it to keep us on update edge. Cause were update junkies. People gota understand all amps use a handfull of tonestacks. Its not what makes a amp. The engl could be a bassman tonestack. So there no need to have every amp under the sun. But that why i dont understand why they did freedmans. There just marshalls
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I wana know why they bothered with friedman stuff. There just marshalls anyway. An nothing to write home about. So like some say are these tonestacks commg from software or are they somehow profiling real tonestacks? I said it before but badcat hotcat would be very interesting with the edge knob. That edge knob could be a KILLER all round control in the kemper for all profiles. Im unsure what it does an maybe it is just a bright cap control, if so then whatever we got it. But it introduces this valvey buzzy overtone that i just love. Crank it an ya get some real angry vintage amp o the edge of exploding tones an feel
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The profiler captures the full range of distortion but doesn’t know whether that distortion is preamp or poweramp or a combination of both. It just knows the overall effect.
Once in the digital domain the volume in the Kemper just scales everything up or down without changing the distortion or tonal characteristics.
In your example the level of the Master Volume on the amp being profiled would make a difference. I suppose in theory the ultimate situation would be all volume/gain maxed but in reality this can sometimes create instability in the amp itself so some sort of “sweet spot” probably exists for each amp’s power section.
I think my new fav knob now is the bright cap sweep. Over definition. These controls allow you to totally make a amp that does not exist an one that makes you happy. I just turned it down on profiles of a overly brittle amp I have. So sensitive too. Good times
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I’m not sure I understand your point correctly. Are you referring to ‘volume’ as in how loud the original amp was during profiling or “volume” as in the Amp Volume and Rig Volume controls in the profiler itself.
If the former, then no it isn’t generic for many (most) amps as volume will have an impact on the power section overdrive. Some amps are affected more than others obviously. A Fender Deluxe will drive the power section the louder it gets wheres the Soldano SLO was designed to have almost all the distortion in the pre amp and a near HiFi level of headroom in the power stage.
If you mean the Amp/Rig volume controls in the profiler then, yes, these are generic as they literally just increase signal level in the digital domain.
I mean as the lp profiles the overdive an its changes, where you set the volume an its changes could be a thing. But admin says its just a generic volume. But amps change as you increase volume. Mine do. Fatter, rounder etc. But the profilers not LP that so it doesnt matter
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Got to admit, I did not realise there was an OD120 as distinct from an OR120 - yes, must be that. One of the more obscure Orange amps tho - and 2 version of it? Hopefully they'll do the Rockerverb too - and a Tiny Terror surely couldn't be that hard
I got some really good tiny terror profiles. I must upload them. The OR30 sounds nothng like the OR120. Its a diff beast.
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They figure it out by sending a gradually increasing gain signal into the amp. Therefore, it captures how the amp gradually distorts. If you turn the gain down in the profile you should them get an accurate experience of a lower setting on the real amp. Therefore, Kemper’s instruction to use maximum gain setting makes perfect sense as it allows you to capture the maximum amount of information about the amp while profiling.
oh interesting. Thanks for clearing that up. Now can same be said with volume. but now they say volume is generic
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the amp volume parameter in the Profiler has nothing to do with the power amp volume of the amp that was profiled. It is just a digital gain stage to give you control over the level that hits the effect section.
I understand the Kemper gain staging. My point was that there can be differences in a real amp that are volume dependent vs gain dependent with regard to the amount of distortion the amp creates.
LQP as documented says to profile the amp with all the eq flat and the amp gain at max. It doesn't specify the volume at which to perform the profile at.
Your contention that the power amp distortion and speaker distortion are a minor part of the overall distortion when the gain on most amps is turned up is really only true for high gain amps IMO.
As a result, even a LQP would need to be profiled at multiple VOLUME levels in order to account for the volume related distortion.
LQP has no other mechanism of handling this volume induced distortion that I can see. It must be profiled at the volume the amp displays the characteristic distortion you wish to recreate on t
yea thats what i was asking. The volume makes a huge difference in tone most amps but it not specified. Its kind of a big deal because most amps fart out at full volume esp with the drive up full. I dont see how kemper can figure out the whole range of the drive knob on full if the profiles farty at start point. I think vol half way is the best bet. I have only started LP but i think i will settle on the drive down a bit if profiling. Most amps are a mushy mess on full. I wana know where to put the drive knob on the profiling if your doing a clean channel of a amp.
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No, but Orange amps are generally not my thing
Neither am i, but this new amp sounds different to other oranges.
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Badcat Hotcat 30R, Matchless superchief, Cornford rk100 di profiles
I would guess the Orange Overdrive OD120
Have you heard the new or30? yes please
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The Liquid Profiling function does not change the behavior of the amp volume parameter. The difference between amp volume and rig volume is merely their position in the signal chain. While amp volume is located after the amp stack and before the effect section, allowing you to control the level before it hits the effects the rig volume is located at the very end of the signal chain and where it controls the overall volume of the rig including the effect section. In both cases, the only impact the volume has is in the perceived loudness of the rig. In no case does it change the actual sound of the rig. If you experience a change in sound it must be caused by the device that you use for monitoring the signal which might produce overtones because the volume of the signal arriving at the input of the monitoring device might clip the input section.
Thanks for clearing that up. Very bizarre indeed i must check again today. i wouldnt see the differemce if they both before my power amp. Maybe the reverb had some wierd effect on pushing the signal into my power section......err. Can i ask, when profiling a clean ch of a amp, what do you do with the gain reference when doing a fresh profilie? Thanks
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That would suggest that it might be the mixer input that is causing the difference.
Try it again by using the Amp and Rig volumes to compensate boost one and cut the other by the same amount. According to Kemper they are identical apart from the place in the signal chain. Therefore, the only way they should make a difference is if there is something else that is gain sensitive downstream. eg a compressor, drive or boost in the post stack effects block.
In my test the only effect after the stack was the stock reverb that was part of the rig. This shouldn't be volume sensitive in the Kemper architecture so should provide a true test by making the adjustments I described.
If you can still hear and identify which is which in that scenario with a loop or reamp then maybe your ears are better than mine (not the hard to be honest
)You keep saying what ck or burkhard said but were talking about post LP here. The question is if its a part of the new tonestack experience. Or in my case a happy accident. I may upload my profile to see what you think
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I was using my own profile with the soldano tonestack. I profiled at full tilt like the manual said an this was taking the drive all the way back to about 2-3. I was doing this to compensate the level drop so only at any given time i adjusted one level. An there was a difference with the amp slot volume an just the generic vol. Granted this was through a real cab an my valve power section, but thats why I tested it with the valve volume too. If it was just a case of my valves getting pushed it would not explain why the difference between the 2 volumes as there both before the power amp. An the amp slot volume sounds lovelly to be honest, I hope we find it is part of the LP experience. That would be even more authentic. Did not try this in my DAW yet but to me it wasnt a little bit were you need a blindfold test, it was obvious. Not a distortion but more a roundness an musical push sound. Hey, maybe it just luck on were i profiled on the dials there lots of variantions at the moment as we figure this out. Ill try it elsewere when i get time.
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That is certainly interesting. Do you think that would survive a blind test? I you record a loop with the looper in pre position and then record the loop twice with different rig and amp volume settings. Do you still hear those differences?
Its very obvious you will not need to run a loop.
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I just tried the same on the Twin LQ profile from MBritt and I also hear a difference. The Rig volume act like the Fader of a channel strip, where the amp volume add something to the harmonic content...
yup bingo. Cool. So i guess it is important to set the volume at 5 when profiling. Mine was a new profile as the manual says, an wanted to see how close. But when i turn my profile overdrive real clean that amp volume comes real niece an chewy. But they should say in the manual. Like they say the the overdrive should be at max. EQ at 5. But volumes not eq, so that was a guessing game. Cant wait to profile without a load. I wish I could have the amp slot volume in the rig volume then instead. Be good to have it on the fly instead of going into settings to change. Like on a amp
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CK and Burkhard have both said on several occasions that the Amp Volume and Rig volume are identical clean volume adjustments. The only difference is that the amp volume come before the effects slots. In most instances it should make no difference. However, if there is a volume sensitive effect such as compressor or drive/boost in the effects slots then Amp volume will drive them differently.
This may have changed since LQP but i doubt
Well I hear it. Soldano tonestack. On a clean overdrive if you turn the rig vol up an listen, then the amp slot vol same level an listen, you will feel a difference an hear it slightly. An it more musical
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I just experimented with the volume knobs. The volume in the Amp section, the rig volume react different. An i compared them to just turning up my power amp vol to same levels. The amp block volume is much sweeter with semi cleans an I really want to know if the LP profiling is taking the volume into account? Its hidden away on the far right so i never really go to it other than compinsate clean volume but didnt really consider the tone an feel difference in the past. Thought of it as a generic vol. I presume it comes before anything in the effects stage as well wich is a plus. I had to profile with my weber load box unfortunately so the levels will be not great but I can hear a difference comparing the 2 vol an I would love to know if its part of the LP tonestack. Give it a try. I also tried the generic profile an the soldano as my amp is not on the list. The generic was not so great