How to tell on a Player if the output is clipping?

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    ☑️ Profiler Player

    How to tell on a Player if the output is clipping other than by ear.
    There is a nice input LED on the player that tells if the input signal is too loud.
    But unlike the Rack or Toaster it doesn't have an output LED.
    I've had a couple of times already that my sound was nice on my DAW at home but on a poweramp to a cab in the rehearsal room is was awefull.

    This is a struggle I never had back when I owned a Rack

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  • I’ll try to help based on the surface level of details you gave.
    I suppose you don’t have an input visual cue on your power amp, like a LED ?

    In the output, you have a monitor out setting. Have you tried lowering the output level by a few db ?

    Have you “crafted” your rig at the same volume you use for rehearsals? Depending on the volume, frequencies are perceived quite differently.

  • A proper gain structure is the key. All Kemper outputs are +4dBu so if you are not pushing any level to the clouds. and using professional line inputs, it's really hard to clip the output signal. Unless you pick a bass guitar, that's other story! haha.

    I've had a couple of times already that my sound was nice on my DAW at home but on a poweramp to a cab in the rehearsal room is was awefull.

    Can you describe what is your system, how is set your profiler?

  • How to tell on a Player if the output is clipping other than by ear.
    There is a nice input LED on the player that tells if the input signal is too loud.
    But unlike the Rack or Toaster it doesn't have an output LED.
    I've had a couple of times already that my sound was nice on my DAW at home but on a poweramp to a cab in the rehearsal room is was awefull.

    This is a struggle I never had back when I owned a Rack


    Unfortunately, there is no way to tell "on the Player". You can, however, connect it to a DAW via usb and monitor the input channel to make sure it doesn't reach 0 dbFS.

  • With analog outputs it's not accurate. You can saturare in any stage.

    I agree that some metering would be handy. But I'm talking about when ducking acts, when a gate closes... Too much years looking meters i guess...

    Maybe a good walk around would be using a signal meter at some point? Rig manager is not a DAW neither a VST, but maybe we could use some of those. .. 🤔

  • With analog outputs it's not accurate. You can saturare in any stage.

    I agree that some metering would be handy. But I'm talking about when ducking acts, when a gate closes... Too much years looking meters i guess...

    Maybe a good walk around would be using a signal meter at some point? Rig manager is not a DAW neither a VST, but maybe we could use some of those. .. 🤔

    By "saturate" do you mean clip? No, that's incorrect. Clipping can only happen at the output D/A. That's why checking to see if the digital output hits 0 dBFS is a good way to check if it is clipping.

  • A proper gain structure is the key. All Kemper outputs are +4dBu so if you are not pushing any level to the clouds. and using professional line inputs, it's really hard to clip the output signal. Unless you pick a bass guitar, that's other story! haha.

    Can you describe what is your system, how is set your profiler?

    To me it turns out it's easy to clip the output, I switched off all the FX blocks and turned down the (generic) gain and amp volume.
    At the end I put the clean sense at -12 an clipping reduced but is still there.
    Rig volume shouldn't matter in this case.

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  • with a reasonable gain staging, I don't think internal clipping is a danger.

    any occuring issues are more likely to be at the input of whatever follows the PROFILER.

    Well the question was not how to deal with it but how to see (other than hearing it).
    There is an input LED (which turns red when the input signal is too loud) and it just feels to me I'm missing a similar LED for the output signal for showing the same on the output.

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  • MetalMauce if you use the Amped only as a power amp, you might want to consider swapping it with something like the HB GPA-100 which has an input LED, isn’t very sensitive to clipping IMHE, and is quite affordable while doing a great job amplifying a cab 😉

    An input LED at the next device down the signal chain from the Player's analog output won't tell you if the Player is clipping. As I mentioned above, the only way to visually tell if the Player is clipping is to monitor the Player's digital output, for example with a DAW. If that hits zero dbFS, then the Player is probably clipping.

  • In this case I can only rely on my personal experience but I’ve pushed the Player with tons of gain, using analog pedals and Kemper’s distortion options.
    Honestly, as long the Kemper’s input is not clipped it seems pretty hard to clip within the unit itself.

    As for the output level, just lowering a few db and letting my power amp do his job, like recommended in the manual, do the trick pretty well…

    From what MM described, it seems to me that the clipping occurs at the power amp’s input stage.

  • In this case I can only rely on my personal experience but I’ve pushed the Player with tons of gain, using analog pedals and Kemper’s distortion options.
    Honestly, as long the Kemper’s input is not clipped it seems pretty hard to clip within the unit itself.

    As for the output level, just lowering a few db and letting my power amp do his job, like recommended in the manual, do the trick pretty well…

    From what MM described, it seems to me that the clipping occurs at the power amp’s input stage.


    I agree, I think the OP's problem is in the power amp, not the Player.

    However, I was answering the question he asked, not the one he should have asked :). IMHO, while it's difficult to clip the input on the Player, I find it fairly easy to clip the output. I've even seen clipping in rigs I've purchased.