have tried the soft-shaper after the amp?
Tube and Tape Saturation
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have tried the soft-shaper after the amp?
absolutely! i love the shaper effects! sadly the soft shaper in particular has no mix option but i use the shaper effects a lot ! and there is a lot of the tonal shifting going on. But yeah, after the amp tone shapers give so much life to the tone i love them
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Have you tried the Kemper Tape Delay in stomps and adjusted the parameters for Saturation?
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Funny how that works. I've been coding since the 1970s. A good chunk of it was digital audio, starting in the 90's. Also using it for music purposes, of course.
OK, great - maybe you can explain your prior statement that the developer would “need to deal with the fact that the output of a tape device is not time-aligned with the input”, then, as a couple of us have asked and haven’t received a response.
If the OP is just looking for tube and tape style saturation rather than a physical model of a tape machine, how is a tape machine’s time alignment relevant? What am I overlooking?
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OK, great - maybe you can explain your prior statement that the developer would “need to deal with the fact that the output of a tape device is not time-aligned with the input”, then, as a couple of us have asked and haven’t received a response.
If the OP is just looking for tube and tape style saturation rather than a physical model of a tape machine, how is a tape machine’s time alignment relevant? What am I overlooking?
oh i definitely did tho. post #23.
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Personally i can not believe that a dedicated tube/tape/transistor saturation effect with mix control, compression and a rather fullrange tone rather than the more midrangy tones of the other drive stomps is out of reach for the processor of the kemper, especially the mkii, just block other effect slots when activating it to not overload the processor and it should not be any problem, but it will not be a problem.
And just to make it clear, the kemper already does it, when you place one of the drive stomps after the cab. The only thing that makes them not work for me so well is that they cut so much bass and sound rather midrangy, typical ssl channel strips that you bring to almost clipping sound different, tape and tube preamps also sound more, how should i say it, broadband/ Hifi like if you know what i mean. The kemper drive is almost there, but all of them would need more level imo also. So for me it is clear, people use that in recordings, it would be cool to bring that sound on stage easier, the kemper can do it ...
I haven't read every post in this thread, but have you considered (ab)using a Delay effect to create your desired tape saturation?
100% wet, Delay to zero, Grit 'is' tape saturation. -
I haven't read every post in this thread, but have you considered (ab)using a Delay effect to create your desired tape saturation?
100% wet, Delay to zero, Grit 'is' tape saturation.oh! good idea! i haven`t! i will try that this evening!
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I haven't read every post in this thread, but have you considered (ab)using a Delay effect to create your desired tape saturation?
100% wet, Delay to zero, Grit 'is' tape saturation.okay i could not wait till this evening
it works!! turning the grit to somewhere between 7 an 10 works, otherwise there is a strangy honkyness between 0 and 7 but everything else is just like i want it, mix, hi-/lowcut etc. thanks for the tip! i think tape i think Tape can go off the list now thanks!! 
but ssl like transistor saturation or tascam like for the mk.gee fans too and tube saturation would still be an awesome addition imo -
okay but why not "bake" this into the profile? Between Mic and Kemper return? Is it really that different?
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okay i could not wait till this evening
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okay but why not "bake" this into the profile? Between Mic and Kemper return? Is it really that different?
this is what i have done so far that i made a tone with helix native and cab and eq and everything i want on it and profiled it but it would be simply more practical to have it as a separate effect, i mean the same logic goes for the stomp effects. why not jut bake it in? ... plus i have most of these saturation types only as plugins
i mean there are also non delay tape machines of all kinds that can give the tone a nice shaping, from casette tapes to stereo revox to the big ones. if there was one "saturation" effect that had all types in it it would be amazing. to fast choose between casette, small tape, big ones, tube, transistor dirty (like tascam mk.gee tones) and ssl type. that would be amazing imo
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Saturation is not usually done at the mixing level. It's done when mastering and it's usually applied to all instruments in some measure, not just one.
That's not the whole truth. Some mixers use a little more saturation and others use it more sparingly. It's a matter of taste and genre.
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oh i definitely did tho. post #23.
Nope, post 23 just points out the obvious. But we’re not running a signal through a tape machine, so it’s not necessarily relevant in this case.
The OP clearly asked for tube and tape style saturation inside the Kemper, not a model of a tape machine. And now he’s getting the results he wanted by abusing the delay effect.
I don’t mean to make this into a p1ssing contest, but why is it necessary to account for the time alignment of a tape machine’s input and output stages when you only want the saturation effects of the tape, not a full model of the machine and it’s signal flow?
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Nope, post 23 just points out the obvious. But we’re not running a signal through a tape machine, so it’s not necessarily relevant in this case.
The OP clearly asked for tube and tape style saturation inside the Kemper, not a model of a tape machine. And now he’s getting the results he wanted by abusing the delay effect.
I don’t mean to make this into a p1ssing contest, but why is it necessary to account for the time alignment of a tape machine’s input and output stages when you only want the saturation effects of the tape, not a full model of the machine and it’s signal flow?
I think the point was when/if profiling it. It has latency. But Kemper can profile things with latency so not sure that is a problem.
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But Kemper can profile things with latency
up to a point, yes.
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up to a point, yes.
Thanks DonPetersen . And at 50-100 ms are we beyond that point?
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Nope, post 23 just points out the obvious. But we’re not running a signal through a tape machine, so it’s not necessarily relevant in this case.
The OP clearly asked for tube and tape style saturation inside the Kemper, not a model of a tape machine. And now he’s getting the results he wanted by abusing the delay effect.
I don’t mean to make this into a p1ssing contest, but why is it necessary to account for the time alignment of a tape machine’s input and output stages when you only want the saturation effects of the tape, not a full model of the machine and it’s signal flow?
to clarify the tape delay kind of does what i want. The "grit" has some sound on its own, i would prefer the more linear sound and harmonics of tape machines. But the direction is right, proving the kemper can absolutely do it, just 3 or 4 versions of saturation, a mix high and lowcut that is it. An easy effect that sounds amazing imo
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Nope, post 23 just points out the obvious. But we’re not running a signal through a tape machine, so it’s not necessarily relevant in this case.
The OP clearly asked for tube and tape style saturation inside the Kemper ...
I agree it's obvious.
But you WILL have to run a signal through a tape machine to capture what it does. Unless you want to simulate it by some trial-and-error process or analyze spectra frozen in time. Both not very accurate approaches.
How do you propose to simulate the tape sound without sampling actual tape? How do you think the 'tape style saturation' is going to get into the Kemper?
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I agree it's obvious.
But you WILL have to run a signal through a tape machine to capture what it does. Unless you want to simulate it by some trial-and-error process or analyze spectra frozen in time. Both not very accurate approaches.
How do you propose to simulate the tape sound without sampling actual tape? How do you think the 'tape style saturation' is going to get into the Kemper?
How do you think they made all the FX, particularly the drive FX?
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How do you think they made all the FX, particularly the drive FX?
...and pretty much every hardware emulation plugin in existence.
