OS14 / Profiling 2.0 Public Beta Discussion

  • I do agree with your statement and that's something we will never know, or will know someday maybe. The true is that we don't really know what MK2 units can do. Nobody knew the player already was an MK2, nobody knew it was a full Kemper with locked features, nobody knew that the player was able to profile (not even the company knew this I would say).

    I don't think they're hiding anything, I really think they're trying to do their best to serve the customer.

    Even that resonance "bug" is probably a bug. Will they use this bug to add that resonance in the MK1 units, were they planning to make that change and it was locked in this new upgrade because it was not finished.

    I think we can't know that right now...

    But we will know

  • Silly conspiracy theories. I don't know what that youtuber did, but I am telling you that Profiles made with 2.0, compared to the same amp, same mic, same cab, profiled on a MK1 - is miles away in dynamics and responsiveness. The most minor tweaks on the 2.0 amp/cab has a way more noticeable effect on the parameter you are adjusting.

    When it is already great(MK1) - it can only become incrementally greater (MK2). There is definitely more clarity, and I said it before - MK1 profiles played on MK2 gear sound better. There are noticeably more dynamics - and the experience of playing them is more satisfying. I stand by it.

    I don't care about how a person can't hear the difference in a mix, or the audience can't tell the difference, etc. the simple fact is that MK2 and Profiling 2.0 are improvements on both counts. End of.

  • MK1 units play back 2.0 PROFILEs in standard quality, independent of the firmware version. You could verify this via A/B tests.

    The Cabinet Resonance that you found in these older software versions dates back from our first prototyping and research to create a faithful adjustable resonance. These parameters definitely sound attractive, but they do not belong to the cabinet and thus don’t match the PROFILE plus have technical limitations. For example: they impact the MONITOR OUT even while Monitor Cab. Off is activated (so no cabinet), resulting in a possible boomy sound which was not intended to be released.

    Sorry, for these accidental ghost parameters!

  • Silly conspiracy theories. I don't know what that youtuber did, but I am telling you that Profiles made with 2.0, compared to the same amp, same mic, same cab, profiled on a MK1 - is miles away in dynamics and responsiveness. The most minor tweaks on the 2.0 amp/cab has a way more noticeable effect on the parameter you are adjusting.

    When it is already great(MK1) - it can only become incrementally greater (MK2). There is definitely more clarity, and I said it before - MK1 profiles played on MK2 gear sound better. There are noticeably more dynamics - and the experience of playing them is more satisfying. I stand by it.

    I don't care about how a person can't hear the difference in a mix, or the audience can't tell the difference, etc. the simple fact is that MK2 and Profiling 2.0 are improvements on both counts. End of.

    Maybe yours is the conspiracy theory? Because Kemper team themselves said that Mk1 profiles on Mk2 sounds 100% the same. 100% they say.

    About 2.0 profiles on Mk1. Maybe the result is different wether you are using a unit that shows the Resonance or not? Or another bug? Maybe this is why in the video 2.0 sounds so thin on Mk1?

    Edited once, last by Ibot39 (March 7, 2026 at 4:42 PM).

  • Hi and welcome!

    You are about the first user to have questions about profiling with the player.

    As you know, the final level of the Profile will be set automatically during the Profiling process. But yes, you are told that you should initially set the Return Level in the ballpark of an existing Profile to roughly have the volume set, so that no input distortion occurs, or too much noise on the other hand. This is not easy with the Player for sure.

    Here is my advice for a simple approach, with no recabling.

    Set the Return Level to some level and start profiling. When there is an error message (e.g.) too much volume, reduce the Return Level by 8 dB or so and try again.

    Once the Profile has finished successfully, the Return Level is set automatically, but the level still could have been a bit off the ballpark initially. Simply take the Profile a second time, it will happen now with nearly unchanged Return Level.

    This procedure does not need to be repeated for consecutive Profilings, because the Return Level will roughly stay in the ballpark.

    CK

  • For a classic profile to sound really close to the real amp, i had to refine/discard them multiple times and often tweak the profile. At least for direct profiles this was more often a PITA than not. The results are fine but not easy to achieve.


    The two direct 2.0 profiles i made so far are spot on, without tweaking. No weird GAIN or DEFINITION parameters. And they sound better than my old ones. I will definitely recreate all my profiles with profiling 2.0.

    => Kemper MK2 12 Points

  • Mostly you don't play "in a mix" especially when you practice at home.
    And I can tell you, the feel ant the dynamics you get with 2.0 are definitely inspiring. You don't want to put the guitar down. If you like Kemper and if you want to keep playing Kemper I recommend to upgrade to MK2 and enjoy 2.0 :) you won't regret it !

    Obviously you don't know me since that's all I do. ;)

    Cheers.

    Larry Mar @ Lonegun Studios. Neither one famous yet.

  • Silly conspiracy theories. I don't know what that youtuber did, but I am telling you that Profiles made with 2.0, compared to the same amp, same mic, same cab, profiled on a MK1 - is miles away in dynamics and responsiveness. The most minor tweaks on the 2.0 amp/cab has a way more noticeable effect on the parameter you are adjusting.

    When it is already great(MK1) - it can only become incrementally greater (MK2). There is definitely more clarity, and I said it before - MK1 profiles played on MK2 gear sound better. There are noticeably more dynamics - and the experience of playing them is more satisfying. I stand by it.

    I don't care about how a person can't hear the difference in a mix, or the audience can't tell the difference, etc. the simple fact is that MK2 and Profiling 2.0 are improvements on both counts. End of.

    You don't specifically cover the use case I was asking about, which is:

    Does a 2.0 profile played on a MK1 Kemper sound better than the classic profile of the same amp at the same settings also played on a MK1?

    I'm not asking if 2.0 sounds better than classic when both are played on a MK2 Kemper.

    I'm not asking if a classic profile played on a MK2 Kemper sounds better than it does on a MK1 Kemper.

    Luckily, I don't have to rely on you eventually answering my question as Burkhard has provided the following response:

    MK1 units play back 2.0 PROFILEs in standard quality, independent of the firmware version

    Re: the Resonance and Q functionality showing in MK1 Kempers still on Release 13 - naturally my interest was piqued; however, I didn't fan any flames of conspiracy. Their appearance definitely warranted a question being raised by Ibot39 and, again, Burkhard has now explained their appearance.

  • MK1 units play back 2.0 PROFILEs in standard quality, independent of the firmware version. You could verify this via A/B tests.

    The Cabinet Resonance that you found in these older software versions dates back from our first prototyping and research to create a faithful adjustable resonance. These parameters definitely sound attractive, but they do not belong to the cabinet and thus don’t match the PROFILE plus have technical limitations. For example: they impact the MONITOR OUT even while Monitor Cab. Off is activated (so no cabinet), resulting in a possible boomy sound which was not intended to be released.

    Sorry, for these accidental ghost parameters!

    What about the report about 2.0 profiles sounding noticeably thinner on Mk1 units? Is this a bug? Is it related to maybe how the resonance parameters get translated to 2.0 profiles running in standard quality on Mk1?

    Why is it not possible to make Resonance paramters availabe on Mk1 units?

    I like the "accidental ghost parameters" very much! Sounds awesome and can make thin profiles thick and resonant ;)

    So when not updating from now on, I can use the ghost parameters on every 2.0 profile? 8)^^8)
    So if there is an impact on MONITOR OUT that is not a problem for me, because I can easily just switch to (or lock) a non-2.0 cab and the impact is gone.

    Edited once, last by Ibot39 (March 7, 2026 at 5:24 PM).

  • Hi Burkhard - it would be useful to hear your thoughts on why the guy in this clip got the results he did:

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  • Big thanks to Kemper for this update !

    To my ears at least the 2.0 profiles sound superb, my Player was already great and now it's even better and I can profile with it, what's to complain about ?

    I can understand some mk1 owners feeling left out that they won't benefit as much but that happens with older gear from every other company.

    Looking forward to loads of new profiles

    Edited once, last by TheTallMan (March 7, 2026 at 5:46 PM).

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    Here is another example where 2.0 profiles (the last example in the video) sound horrible thin and way too different on a Mk1 unit.
    This has nothing to do with utube compression or subtle nuances! It is a MASSIVE loss in bass and fullness, that EVERYONE can clearly hear without any doubt. This is in no way only a "low standard resolution" vs "high resolution" effect. There is an obvious issue here that makes 2.0 profiles awfully thin on (some?) Mk1 units.

    That is why the other utuber suggests using the old classic profiles on Mk1 units. But that can not be the solution.

    We need clarification please!

    Edited 2 times, last by Ibot39 (March 7, 2026 at 6:02 PM).

  • Does anyone have a feel for how long the 'beta' might run? I am a little tempted to wait for the production version. But that depends on how long it stays in beta. I have been skimming for reports of bugs, or anything that might keep it in beta. But not really seeing anything.

    A day, a week, a month?

  • Does anyone have a feel for how long the 'beta' might run? I am a little tempted to wait for the production version. But that depends on how long it stays in beta. I have been skimming for reports of bugs, or anything that might keep it in beta. But not really seeing anything.

    A day, a week, a month?

    If the past is any indication, they often have a second beta out a week later with some fixes from the issues that have come up. That said it all really comes down to the type of issues they come up with and how much time it takes to fix. If my memory serves correct it’s often around a month from a major beta to a major release. And sometimes there’s a minor update to the release version that comes out a little later as well.

  • It would have been nice to hear the profile 1.0 on the MK1 for comparisons sake.

  • ...
    And a question:
    How am I supposed to edit the tags after finishing a profile? The main manual says I'm supposed to see some tabs when saving, but not so?
    I made a couple of profiles all credited to a certain mattfig, though he's definitly not to blame. ^^

    Okay, figured it out, LOL.
    Anyway, there's no way to edit the field "author" in the amp and cabinet tabs.

  • It would have been nice to hear the profile 1.0 on the MK1 for comparisons sake.

    The maker of the first video posted earlier (and showing the same issue) stated that 1.0 profiles sound the same on both unites Mk1 and Mk2. Kemper also says it sounds 100% the same. The problem only is 2.0 profiles sounding thin with no bass on Mk1 unit

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    Here you hear mk1(1.0) profile sounds good and the same on mk1 and mk2.

    Problem appears only 2.0 profile on mk1 unit. Suddenly thin sounding compared to ALL other options. Has to be a bug

  • Here you hear mk1(1.0) profile sounds good and the same on mk1 and mk2.

    Problem appears only 2.0 profile on mk1 unit. Suddenly thin sounding compared to ALL other options. Has to be a bug

    Just for clarification I'm more than happy keeping my mk1 as it's a fantastic unit and already does more than I need.

    After reading through the previous pages, question is: is updating to 14 actually a backward step for mk 1users, and if so does this effectively mean that support for mk1 units is finished. Honestly not bothered if this is the case, but would like to know.

    ps, this is for the kemper team, not you personally Ibot39 :D

    Edited once, last by paddyc (March 7, 2026 at 8:42 PM).