Profiling 1 is awesome, can't imagine how great 2.0 will be

I apologise for my earlier response t this thread.

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We are iced in in TN and I've been playing with my player this morning. Monitoring in different ways, studio monitors, FR cabs, power amp and cabs. Its just so alive and satisfying. I can't even imagine what it will be like playing with 2.0. From the videos I have seen highlighting the responsiveness, I think its on track to be the best there is.

Hard to imagine much better.

My favorite way to hear it is though a custom FR system I built using 2-12 cab with celestions. a par of tweeters and a Class-D stereo power module. Just awesome. What do you use?

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Mine sounds great through anything but my wee Adam monitors are spectacular. That cab looks pretty handy by the way

If it is impossible to tell the profile from the original on a recording/through a P.A how much better can it or does it need to get? I have had Fender Tweed amps, "Plexi" Marshalls, 800's, ENGL, EVH, Blackstar etc. etc. and I wouldn't trade my profiler for any of them that I have or no longer have if I had to use it for performing and not just as a collector piece.

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If it is impossible to tell the profile from the original on a recording/through a P.A how much better can it or does it need to get? I have had Fender Tweed amps, "Plexi" Marshalls, 800's, ENGL, EVH, Blackstar etc. etc. and I wouldn't trade my profiler for any of them that I have or no longer have if I had to use it for performing and not just as a collector piece.

Kemper themselves have stated there's a marketable improvement in the dynamic response of the profiles as well as the accuracy. For me, profiles can be all over the place depending on the mics, preamps, and skill of the person doing the capturing. Some profiles are indistinguishable, some are close, some are not close.

There have been several comparison videos showing that while people prefer the sound of the Kemper, the captures can vary substantially. You can search for an Andertons video on YouTube comparing the captures of Kemper, Tonex, Nano Cortex, and a few more - Kemper was not the same, but they preferred the sound of it. Even Michael Britt has stated Kemper seems to polish the captures during the process.

But - we are all speculating and once 2.0 is released, we'll know for sure.

I agree that profiles can vary all over the place. There is an "art" to making them indistinguishable. If you look on Youtube you can find a video With the guys from Anderton's trying to tell the original from the profile and in most cases they ended up picking the Kemper thinking it was the original because it sounded better. I will agree with Mr Britt that the Kemper does something to the sound to makes it more presentable to consoles, & P.A.s

It doesn't change the tone, it just does the same thing you would want to do to the sound to have it go down on a recording or out to the audience. To my ears, it "professionalizes" it and stabilizes it. And not in just a way by compression, More like it takes the randomness and the bad parts about the amp & speaker and leaves the good parts that you want.

Although I will be getting the MKII soon, I'm not overwhelmed by the new profiling. What will be really gain? Maybe 5% better closer than MKI? Will we ever hear it in the mix? No. Will we hear it as tone chasers? Probably. Will an audience ever care? Absolutely not.

I'm more getting it for future abilities, more so than profiling. Although the current profiling seems to add more mids on higher gain sounds, they are easily dialed out.

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Although I will be getting the MKII soon, I'm not overwhelmed by the new profiling. What will be really gain? Maybe 5% better closer than MKI? Will we ever hear it in the mix? No. Will we hear it as tone chasers? Probably. Will an audience ever care? Absolutely not.

I'm more getting it for future abilities, more so than profiling. Although the current profiling seems to add more mids on higher gain sounds, they are easily dialed out.

That's the thing...the MK2 arrive and...will I be able to let the profiles I currently use? Don't think so...nobody will notice...but I'm curious if I'll notice the difference, the feel under my fingers...

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That's the thing...the MK2 arrive and...will I be able to let the profiles I currently use? Don't think so...nobody will notice...but I'm curious if I'll notice the difference, the feel under my fingers...

It would be hard to notice the difference. Now, if you made an MK1 profile and without moving a thing made an MK2 profile, then you could have a direct comparison. otherwise, even if you tried to recreate the same set up, a mic moved a tad this way or that would throw it off, even if you were careful to recall all the settings on your amp when you made the mk1 version.

But MK1 profiles will continue to sound as awesome and dynamic as they do today, unless you find ones that sound awesomer that are MK2.

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Will we ever hear it in the mix? No. Will we hear it as tone chasers? Probably. Will an audience ever care? Absolutely not.

I certainly would not understand what would be more important than if you could not tell it in the mix and if the audience would ever care. Really, if the audience can't hear the difference what's the fuss? I think the goal of many musicians is to make music that people like and want to make you a rock star over or at least money. They couldn't care less if you have the latest quad neuralizer or whatever.

Like I always say how much better can it get than sounding and feeling exactly like the app that's profiling? A proper profile will do exactly that and I proved it so many times to meticulous ears and tube amp snobs it's ridiculous .

My opinion: It's really just that people can't stand having the same old thing for a long time and have to have the latest greatest so they have something to talk about on the forums. Nobody wants to talk about your Fender hot rod deluxe or Kemper I anymore, they wanna talk about how their new nuroverb myplex custom, or the nutrix biomec is so much better and how the big new touch screen on it is wonderful or whatever. Anything the majority of people don't have everybody likes to say is the best thing ever. Similar to people that love to run out, wait in line to see the new movie that's out before anybody else does. Then they get to say "yeah I saw it".(comparable in context to been there done that) also like: "Yeah I played a Fender hot rod deluxe and a Kemper one".

I think with a lot of all these new modelers people try to get you to buy what they did by making it sound so good so they don't feel all alone in buying one & want to convince you to join the club, only to leave yout behind when the next new Dervish Whirlwind MKIII comes out and that's the thing you should get.

What if it sounds the same or maybe a little better but it is a lot easier?

The future will be the future, that's all we know. It could be anything.

I'm just going to wait until A.I. can do all the profiling for us. Then I can even have it play for me.

Seriously, I don't think your old ears can even notice a 10% difference in a mix. So, likely no difference from 1, 2, 3 or 4.0.

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I certainly would not understand what would be more important than if you could not tell it in the mix and if the audience would ever care. Really, if the audience can't hear the difference what's the fuss? I think the goal of many musicians is to make music that people like and want to make you a rock star over or at least money. They couldn't care less if you have the latest quad neuralizer or whatever.

Like I always say how much better can it get than sounding and feeling exactly like the app that's profiling? A proper profile will do exactly that and I proved it so many times to meticulous ears and tube amp snobs it's ridiculous .

My opinion: It's really just that people can't stand having the same old thing for a long time and have to have the latest greatest so they have something to talk about on the forums. Nobody wants to talk about your Fender hot rod deluxe or Kemper I anymore, they wanna talk about how their new nuroverb myplex custom, or the nutrix biomec is so much better and how the big new touch screen on it is wonderful or whatever. Anything the majority of people don't have everybody likes to say is the best thing ever. Similar to people that love to run out, wait in line to see the new movie that's out before anybody else does. Then they get to say "yeah I saw it".(comparable in context to been there done that) also like: "Yeah I played a Fender hot rod deluxe and a Kemper one".

I think with a lot of all these new modelers people try to get you to buy what they did by making it sound so good so they don't feel all alone in buying one & want to convince you to join the club, only to leave yout behind when the next new Dervish Whirlwind MKIII comes out and that's the thing you should get.

I also love my MK1 but....I think we will be able to tell the difference. Kemper have not previously been ones to overhype products. I think it will improve things in a couple of ways:

1) The organic responsiveness will improve

2) Further increased control over your sound

Like you I struggle to imagine how even these things will improve but I bet once its out we will all go...."oh yeah, I see it now"

Having said all of that, I think I'll look into the Nutrix Biomec - I hear it can not only capture amp sounds, has a touch screen that you don;t need to touch, it changes by the power of thought, can combine 300 captures together to create the ultimate hyper amp/pedal combo but it can fish out dodgy notes and replace them with better ones....and make you look 40 pounds thinner on stage!