Two cabinets / IRs

  • Just two cabinets (two IRs in the Cabinet Section), Stereo L/R and Mono Mixable, that is it :) The Cab is so important and that would level up the kemper so much.

    There are Workarounds but it is kind of janky, by using Cab loaders on the pc, recording the kemper without cab then add the cab mix them export then reimport to the kemper

    and as you see it just takes very long

  • Bommel April 17, 2025 at 5:08 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Two cabinets” to “Two cabinets / IRs”.
  • BadBadger anything unclear? :)

    It sounds like something that could be done, if the hardware can do it. IR calculations are very CPU intensive. It may be a hardware limit. Especially since the PLAYER may have less CPU/DSP power. And Kemper wants all units to have the same abilities.

    The Kemper runs at 44.1 kHz and uses 2048 sample IRs. That means for every sample of sound (44,100 of them per second) the Kemper is doing 2048 multiplies, buffer index shifts, etc. That is about 90+ million floating point calcs per second minimum.

    One trick the Helix does is limit your IR sizes. If you are running mono you can use a 2048 sample IR. If you are running stereo it may limit you to 1024 sample IRs. I wrote a VST that also lets you dial back the IR sample count with a knob so YOU have control of the amount of calcs.

    Most players here dont think the Kemper needs dual IRs. Stereo is not a thing for live performances. And if you are in the studio, you can always double track or use one of the wideners in the Kemper. Dual IRs could almost be done using an EQ widener.

  • It sounds like something that could be done, if the hardware can do it. IR calculations are very CPU intensive. It may be a hardware limit. Especially since the PLAYER may have less CPU/DSP power. And Kemper wants all units to have the same abilities.

    The Kemper runs at 44.1 kHz and uses 2048 sample IRs. That means for every sample of sound (44,100 of them per second) the Kemper is doing 2048 multiplies, buffer index shifts, etc. That is about 90+ million floating point calcs per second minimum.

    One trick the Helix does is limit your IR sizes. If you are running mono you can use a 2048 sample IR. If you are running stereo it may limit you to 1024 sample IRs. I wrote a VST that also lets you dial back the IR sample count with a knob so YOU have control of the amount of calcs.

    Most players here dont think the Kemper needs dual IRs. Stereo is not a thing for live performances. And if you are in the studio, you can always double track or use one of the wideners in the Kemper. Dual IRs could almost be done using an EQ widener.

    personally i really do not like stereo widener for live use, with my two notes sutdio i always blend two cabs and i am way faster at a tone i like and famous micing techniques are only possible with two mics/cabs, like micing an open back in front and back and fredman technique or using delay to filter fizz out etc. right now it is simply a long process for me to get this sound onto the kemper and that would just help to streamline it. And what i do live to get rid of the stereo wideners is either the torpedo studio for left/right or two mics and pan them left right, the phase is better it makes room in center for vocals and bass i just like it way more.So... it is a thing for live use for me, because it simply sounds better, if the other lazy people out there do not want to go that route :D well that is on them

  • I didn’t really understand what you were asking, but then it doesn’t take much for me to be confused 🤣

    No problem that is why i am asking :) Right now after the amp block of the kemper is the cabinet block right ? There you can choose one cabinet and i personally would love the option to have two cabinets in there at the same time to either have different cabs on the right and left channel or to mix two cabs together.

  • .So... it is a thing for live use for me, because it simply sounds better, if the other lazy people out there do not want to go that route :D well that is on them

    I am not against any ideas, I was just saying what most of the pros here will tell you.

    For example, most people would say you should never run stereo live because no listener will be in a good position to hear stereo. In small clubs most people are right next to a set of speakers on one side or the other. They may never hear the other speakers.

    As for mixing two IRs in a mono method, that should be possible. The Kemper could mix the IRs before actual processing. That would not increase CPU usage at all. It would also let you do things other processors do such as selecting different mics. You could have one IR be the speaker and one be the mic used.

    The issue with mixing IRs is one of phase. But that is above my pay grade. But in my mind it is better to give people enough rope to hang themselves, so why not add this feature. :thumbup:

  • I am not against any ideas, I was just saying what most of the pros here will tell you.

    For example, most people would say you should never run stereo live because no listener will be in a good position to hear stereo. In small clubs most people are right next to a set of speakers on one side or the other. They may never hear the other speakers.

    As for mixing two IRs in a mono method, that should be possible. The Kemper could mix the IRs before actual processing. That would not increase CPU usage at all. It would also let you do things other processors do such as selecting different mics. You could have one IR be the speaker and one be the mic used.

    The issue with mixing IRs is one of phase. But that is above my pay grade. But in my mind it is better to give people enough rope to hang themselves, so why not add this feature. :thumbup:

    IT is okay, i am here to discuss this idea... On the other hand most "pros" i heard so far made horrible sounding live mixes, i think in my lifetime i was at maybe two concerts where i thought the mix was okay, not even great, just okay :D The stereo problem live is why i do not like wideners but prefer to simply have two irs instead of a stereo widener, it just makes more space without having negatives, and some Guitarists play anyway with multiple amps and mics so this absolutely happens anyway live, just like bands with two or three guitarists. Phase Issues with IRs are also a thing that depends on the ir player, most guitar based IR loaders remove the predelay automatically and most IRs have the predelay corrected anyway and idk, so may ir players have it, it sounds always better why shouldn't the Kemper have it, if it is possible. Personally i basically never have a hard time to get the IRs sound good on the PC or on the Torpedo Studio, but on the Kemper it is more of a fight and a long process to get the mixed file on the kemper

  • No problem that is why i am asking :) Right now after the amp block of the kemper is the cabinet block right ? There you can choose one cabinet and i personally would love the option to have two cabinets in there at the same time to either have different cabs on the right and left channel or to mix two cabs together.

    Ah I see what you’re asking for now, thanks for the explanation 😀

  • IT is okay, i am here to discuss this idea...

    I have been writing a VST for fun and it has always had a stereo path that runs two IRs (Left and Right). 8)

    I have not written code for combining IRs in mono. Now I guess I have something I need to do today.

    So I am on your side completely. Just p;laying Devils Advocate.

  • Another thought for the Kemper IR situation is a Stereo EQ instead.

    You could put it after the amp/cab sections and dial in a different tone for each side.
    I would also add a soft clip distortion to each as well. So you could run lower gain thru the amp and then add some to one channel or the other.

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    the Stereo Widener in the EQ section already does something like that with just one CABINET

    Stereo Widener

    Not an equalizer in the traditional sense, but it does use equalization to work its magic. By emphasizing certain frequencies on one stereo channel, while attenuating them on the other, it creates a subtle stereo effect. This is done symmetrically, so that when the signal is summed to mono, the effect is completely canceled out with no coloration to the sound. The Stereo Widener works well with either mono or stereo source signals. Use “Intensity” to control the impact to the sound. At higher values of “Intensity” you can actually drive the sound out of phase; this is not a problem, however, as the sound still stays mono compatible. With “Tune”, you can tweak the effect to your taste by shifting the focus towards lower or higher frequencies.

  • Michael Britt has an IR pack full of blended cabs. They all have his favorite 3P cabinet blended mixed in because it’s a very flat (middle of the road guitar speakerwise) cabinet that is his go to. And then he blends other cabinets that might pair better with a vox, or fender, or a or whatever with it. In the description, he says, he finds it less jarring to go from cab to cab when he switches amps mid song, as they have something in common with each other, in our particularly good in a life setting where he needs a fuller sound
    MBlended IR Pack 1 – M. Britt Profile

  • people keep posting commercial third party content outside the commercial subforums, forcing me to move these threads there

    Sorry, didn't realize that wasn't allowed. I can delete the post if it would help. I figured, he asked a question about a possible feature, and having seen this pack myself recently, that might be of interest, shared it to be helpful.

  • the Stereo Widener in the EQ section already does something like that with just one CABINET

    Stereo Widener

    Not an equalizer in the traditional sense, but it does use equalization to work its magic. By emphasizing certain frequencies on one stereo channel, while attenuating them on the other, it creates a subtle stereo effect. This is done symmetrically, so that when the signal is summed to mono, the effect is completely canceled out with no coloration to the sound. The Stereo Widener works well with either mono or stereo source signals. Use “Intensity” to control the impact to the sound. At higher values of “Intensity” you can actually drive the sound out of phase; this is not a problem, however, as the sound still stays mono compatible. With “Tune”, you can tweak the effect to your taste by shifting the focus towards lower or higher frequencies.

    I think that is cool but there are some options and chances where i think two cabs could be an amazing addition.

  • I think that is cool but there are some options and chances where i think two cabs could be an amazing addition.

    I was curious and Chat GPT'd if there was software that let people blend IRs. Could be something fun to try out. You wouldn't do this on the KPA itself, but I suppose could bring these blended cabs into the KPA and see if you like any of the combos. I pasted the supposedly free one below.

    NadIR by Ignite Amps (Free)

    • Free IR loader with dual IR blending
    • Offers mix control, phase, high-pass and low-pass filters
    • Supports stereo and mono IRs
    • Used within a DAW as a VST/AU plugin
  • I was curious and Chat GPT'd if there was software that let people blend IRs. Could be something fun to try out. You wouldn't do this on the KPA itself, but I suppose could bring these blended cabs into the KPA and see if you like any of the combos. I pasted the supposedly free one below.

    NadIR by Ignite Amps (Free)

    • Free IR loader with dual IR blending
    • Offers mix control, phase, high-pass and low-pass filters
    • Supports stereo and mono IRs
    • Used within a DAW as a VST/AU plugin

    Thanks! I already have software to mix IRs, though. I only hope to make this process faster, either inside the kemper or with the help of the Rig Manager. For example a very typical micing for opan back cabs is one mic in the front, one in the back then phasereverse the one in tha back and mix it and imo this sounds amazing. after it is mixes i do not mind if it is summed to one IR. Or digital Dualmicing and using a phase mismatch to filter fizz out with the resulting comb filter etc. Some software already does all of this, i just think it would be cool to have it inside the kemper