Updating to the whole Liquid Profile thing....

No special tips, butt I don’t think any are really necessarily. Just go for it. liquid Profiles are fantastic but you don’t need to use them if you don’t want to. All the old Studio Profiles are unchanged so you have nothing to lose.

Always do a backup.... You never know what could happen and it would suck losing all the work you put into tweaking profiles. Backup the profiler and the Rig Manager.

As for the upgrade, what version are you currently running? There may be some extra steps that require you to contact support depending on how old the profiler version is.

Lastly it is important to remember that upgrading also requires you to keep your computer OS in mind. There have benefits several instances where people have upgraded only to find the new Rig Manager will not run on their older Macs. If you have an older MacBook that is not running the newest OS, you may want to post it up here so we can tell you if it will work or check the support page to make sure that you will still be able to run the newest version.

As for Liquid... I like the concept but still find myself using mainly regular profiles, at least for now. It does work well, but I just haven't found a solid use for them to be my only go to for profiles.

Hope this helps a little! Happy Holidays!

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Backup the profiler and the Rig Manager.

Why RM? Backing up from there will save its own configuration only

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Why RM? Backing up from there will save its own configuration only

There’s no real reason to backup RM when updating the unit. But it’s not a bad habit to have.

As for Liquid Profiles - as has been said. There is zero reason to avoid upgrading. Existing profiles don’t change in any way whatsoever.

Unless you’re using a Liquid enabled profile, you won’t hear any difference. Even then, only the behavior of the controls changes.

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I will end up doing the update just to get the LP thing happening. If it changes how the controls work on pre-existing profiles, it's worth it right there. Thanks!

It won’t.

It will have zero affect on profiles you already have - or were made prior. Zero change of any kind.

Only if you apply the liquid tone stack - and know the amp settings used when profiling will you get what was intended.

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Forgive my post as I am very late to "the liquid profile show," so to speak... I haven't done the upgrade to my Powerhead yet, I've been holding off because it sounds great currently, but I think there are other upgrades that have happened since (..effects, etc..) that I'm missing out on.. Not much of a "tech"..I am intimidated a bit when I do thees updates as something always goes wrong or I end up having issues with Rig manager, so I never upgraded..I decided to reach out to some people locally to "step me through the process,"...and funny thing, where I live, I know about 5 local pro players who have Kemper and also have not done the upgrade to liquid profiles..Nobody has..What the heck?? So, every update I've done so far, I've never done a bck up (..never had to..)..I tried following the instructions on one of these threads and easily became frustrated and discouraged...Getting ready to try it all again..any tips?

All this does is change the way the stack knobs behave. If you are like me and rarely touch them it will have no effect whatsoever. In my opinion unless you're profiling YOUR amp and you want the knobs to react like your amp it has no purpose, and even then most of the preprogrammed stacks don't work like the "real" amps in my opinion. For instance the JCM 800 liquid profile stack acts nothing like a real JCM 800 eq section or at least none of the 6 that I have ever had or still own.

If there was a way that profiling could actually read & profile what your tone stack was actually doing frequency,Q, and amount wise that would be better but that would be a much bigger task I'm betting. I kind of think it's limiting actually to take an amp and restrict the EQ section to what the amp actually has instead of being able to eq it like you could in the studio or using the generic stack. Sure it might be more authentic that way if it actually was like the real amp but I couldn't care less about authentic, I want to make it sound good and some amps have very limited tone stack capabilities that make them undesirable.

Personally, I have no use for liquid profiling at all and imperfectly happy with the generic stack adjusting profiles. I'm one of the hugest Kemper lovers ever but I think LP is kind of gimmicky. I trade it in two seconds for the noise gate knob on front being changeable to one of the same types that you can put in the slots.

(Tongue firmly in cheek)

….you forgot to say “now get off my lawn!!!”

😜

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All this does is change the way the stack knobs behave. If you are like me and rarely touch them it will have no effect whatsoever. In my opinion unless you're profiling YOUR amp and you want the knobs to react like your amp it has no purpose, and even then most of the preprogrammed stacks don't work like the "real" amps in my opinion. For instance the JCM 800 liquid profile stack acts nothing like a real JCM 800 eq section or at least none of the 6 that I have ever had or still own.

If there was a way that profiling could actually read & profile what your tone stack was actually doing frequency,Q, and amount wise that would be better but that would be a much bigger task I'm betting. I kind of think it's limiting actually to take an amp and restrict the EQ section to what the amp actually has instead of being able to eq it like you could in the studio or using the generic stack. Sure it might be more authentic that way if it actually was like the real amp but I couldn't care less about authentic, I want to make it sound good and some amps have very limited tone stack capabilities that make them undesirable.

Personally, I have no use for liquid profiling at all and imperfectly happy with the generic stack adjusting profiles. I'm one of the hugest Kemper lovers ever but I think LP is kind of gimmicky. I trade it in two seconds for the noise gate knob on front being changeable to one of the same types that you can put in the slots.

The kemper tones are recorded tones. You can't compare that to an amp in the room and tweaking the EQ. The only thing I've done with the LP is lowered the gain since most high gain profiles have way too much gain. And too much bass.

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(Tongue firmly in cheek)

….you forgot to say “now get off my lawn!!!”

😜

Did that seem grumpy? It was just supposed to be opinionated.

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Why RM? Backing up from there will save its own configuration only

Because when you upgrade the OS, you also need to upgrade Rig Manager. I have had a local upgrade fail install and not open properly losing all of the organization that I did, thankfully I had a backup. It can happen... So, back it up and restore it if it fails. You may never use it, but better to have it and not need it than the opposite.

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It won’t.

It will have zero affect on profiles you already have - or were made prior. Zero change of any kind.

Only if you apply the liquid tone stack - and know the amp settings used when profiling will you get what was intended.

It has zero affect on your profiles but 100% on your organization. Frankly I don't want to spend the day redoing all of that.

Organization? How?

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Organization? How?

Right click on Local Library on the left hand pane and you can create folders and basically organize your profiles, presets and performances. The Rig Manager backup saves all that. It was very useful when I moved from PC to Mac a while back and saved my butt on a failed install (it was an issue on my end).

That has nothing to do with Liquid Profiles themselves though.

Right?

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Because when you upgrade the OS, you also need to upgrade Rig Manager. I have had a local upgrade fail install and not open properly losing all of the organization that I did

Ah, now I see what you mean
Actually, having to upgrade/update RM doesn't necessarily follow a KAOS upgrade/update. Things have been moving fast as of lately, but in the last decade the two things have been - generally speaking - rather independent.

OTOH, it is true that when RM is updated the latest KAOS version often uses its services, in this case we have to update both.

Not really, but you have to upgrade Rig Manager when you upgrade the Kemper as I mentioned above. So, you potentially roll the dice that the Rig Manager upgrade will go okay without any issues just like the Kemper itself. My point was that you should backup both before you do any upgrades just to be safe. I especially recommend this if you are running beta.

Like I said, I spent many hours organizing things and would hate to lose any of that and backups have already saved my butt. Just computing 101 that has been drilled into me over the years as an IT guy.