Need a solution for tuning with an all in one IEM rig

  • The Profiler Model referred to in this thread is ...
    ☑️ Profiler Player

    I just got done building an all in one IEM rig that also includes two Kemper Players that sit within a drawer taking MIDI commands for patch changes. My goal is to not need to look at the player for tuning. I was hoping to run a long 1/4 inch cable from each players pedal out, to each side of the stage so each guitarist can tune during the set. Problem is you can’t mute the guitar this way so it’s not practical. I considered having midi switch to a preset with no volume but that kills your signal to the tuner. The only solution I can come up with is having a midi command come from my laptop into our IEM rigs mixer (a X32) and have it mute our guitar channels but this would result in an additional midi interface and more possible pain points. Does anyone have a solution for this? The goal is to never need to look at the kemper player and be able to tune with an external tuner pedal without the guitar audio being heard in our IEM or front of house. Thanx!

  • That's a tricky one. Normally in that situation there's a person in the back swapping your guitar for a tuned one.

    If all you have on stage is your guitar with a wireless then you can't choose any other option.

    If you use active pickups you may be able to insert a tuner with cables to and from a tuner on stage, between the wireless receiver and the Kemper. Then the tuner will mute the input of the Kemper. Long cable run though...

    If the gigs are not too huge you could use a Strobo Clip and just turn your guitar volume down.

  • I’m sort of half joking (but totally serious too); what about Evertune bridges on the guitars. That way they stay permanently in tune and don’t need tuned during the show. Needs a new guitar or surgery to replace the bridge on an existing guitar (also doesn’t work if you need a whammy bar) but does solve the tuning issue.

    If you use active pickups you may be able to insert a tuner with cables to and from a tuner on stage, between the wireless receiver and the Kemper. Then the tuner will mute the input of the Kemper. Long cable run though...

    Shouldn’t matter what type of pickups are being used. Once the signal hits the wireless the pickups don’t have any effect on the impedance.

    How about a midi controlled A/B switcher with A going to Kemper and B going to tuner?

    There might even be and A/B switcher with an external footswitch (like the Dunlop rack mounted wahs for example) where the A/B could be next to the receiver to keep cable run short but the pedal could be front of stage along with a tuner.it would actually be a very simple circuit for someone to make themselves or have a tech make for them if nothing already exists.

  • I appreciate all the tips so far. As far as the evertune, I own a guitar with one and I’ve been trying so hard to gel with it but I’ve had nothing but issues. It might be because it’s a Solar and they’re known for being cheaply made but I can’t get it to stay in tune. I’m thinking running a tuner between the wireless and the kemper with a couple long ass cables might be my only solution. Just seems like a crappy compromise seeing how that would be four cables since we’re running two kemper players and the whole goal of the rig was a “set it and forget it” vibe. I’m also pretty paranoid of the clip on tuners. I’m not fully confident in them unless they’ve gotten better since the five years I tried one.

  • Not sure if this will help your situation but back in my rack days I used a korg strobe, dtr1. The rack was in the wings but using the strobe mode made it pretty easy to see from a distance. You'd just need to run out a mute switch.

  • I appreciate all the tips so far. As far as the evertune, I own a guitar with one and I’ve been trying so hard to gel with it but I’ve had nothing but issues. It might be because it’s a Solar and they’re known for being cheaply made but I can’t get it to stay in tune. I’m thinking running a tuner between the wireless and the kemper with a couple long ass cables might be my only solution. Just seems like a crappy compromise seeing how that would be four cables since we’re running two kemper players and the whole goal of the rig was a “set it and forget it” vibe. I’m also pretty paranoid of the clip on tuners. I’m not fully confident in them unless they’ve gotten better since the five years I tried one.

    Just give it a try. I also had issues with these, but the one I use now works pretty well.

  • I have a Kemper Power Rack, and my band sometimes uses scrims on stage so I can't easily see the tuner on the rack. My solution was to buy a cheapo set of wireless transmitter/receiver dongles from Amazon (maybe $40-$50 since you don't care about sound quality) and transmit the tuner signal from the Direct Out to a small pedal tuner at the front of the stage. When I send a MIDI command for tuner mode on the Kemper, the Direct Out still sends the dry guitar signal to front of stage via the wireless. I use the Peterson Strobostomp Mini at the receiver end.

    In your case, you could use a 1/4" y-splitter on the Player input and attach the wireless transmitter to one leg to send out.