Missing the original vintage chorus in the latest firmware

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    Since I updated my Kemper versions 10.2.3 to the latest release I am missing the original vintage chorus.

    It seems that from version 11 onwards the vintage chorus has been stripped from the crossover parameter. Further it has been equipped with a potent boost at volume 0.0 setting.

    Kemper can you please make the vintage chorus unity gain again at volume 0.0:?:

    From the manual (and I support this philosophy) ;) If you happen to own an original chorus unit from the analog era, you may notice that the choruses don’t feature a volume boost when you switch them on. This is because our philosophy is to always maintain the same volume level, no matter whether effects are being used or not. This makes it easier for you to choose the best effect purely by its character, and not to favor one effect over another simply because it sounds louder. Of course, if you still want the volume boost, you can always use the “Volume” parameter for this.

    Can you please reenable the crossover parameter:?:

    From the manual (and again spot on, great feature) :thumbup: If you happen to own an original chorus unit from the analog era, you may notice that the choruses don’t feature a volume boost when you switch them on. This is because our philosophy is to always maintain the same volume level, no matter whether effects are being used or not. This makes it easier for you to choose the best effect purely by its character, and not to favor one effect over another simply because it sounds louder. Of course, if you still want the volume boost, you can always use the “Volume” parameter for this.

    Thanks

    (By the way. A support ticket has been raised)

    Edited once, last by Corstroe (November 22, 2024 at 4:15 PM).

    Support can confirm the findings. Firmware 10.2.3 and before do not show a boost like the later versions 11 and 12. However still no positive answer whether this will be corrected or if the crossover will make it back.

    For testing porpose you can add a vintage chorus to all 4 post-amp effect blocks. In version 12.0.1 you will experience a tremendous boost. When you do the same in previous versions this will not happen.

    It would make sense to have unity gain at volume 0.0 again. Plenty of boost available if you want any.

    So far this is the reply from Kemper about removing the crossover and introducing a boost with the chorus:

    This was the decision of the developement who made the chorus more faithful to the original. The Vintage Chorus has been reprogrammed and redesigned. Crossover has been removed and, like the original, it is louder. Crossover will be removed in general.


    So I guess we see the crossover parameter disappear from all the effects that still have it now?? And the original is even louder? If it is a referral to the Boss Chorus Ensemble. It has a level control that goes to zero ;).

    But.. as long as the manual still reads following there is hope (crossover is already removed from it ;()

    "If you happen to own an original chorus unit from the analog era, you may notice that the choruses don’t feature a volume boost when you switch them on. This is because our philosophy is to always maintain the same volume level, no matter whether effects are being used or not."

    I certainly hope Crossover isn't removed from other modulation based effects to make them more "faithful" to originals. In fact, quite the opposite, I would much prefer the modulation effects to get the same mega flexibility treatment that the Drive and Fuzz got. Instead of trying to provide many replica type effects, I much prefer the single super flexible concept. I would also like to to see the Rotary effect get more control rather than trying to just be a faithful recreation of a particular Leslie cabinet.


    It is also slightly concerning that this change to the Vintage Chorus appears to break one of Kemper's key beliefs - existing rigs should still sound the same after softeware updates. With the new delays and reverbs we got Legacy Delay and Legacy Reverb. With the Kemper Drive we still had the Green Scream for backward compatibility. It seems strange that the Chorus should get a different treatment.

    Now that we have the new Tremolo effects, I wonder if we might also see completely revamped versions of other modulation effects - Kemper Korus, Kemper Rotary in particular.

    Meanwhile, that's one reason I don't update anymore.

    From the beginning, updating meant a stability in your rigs, your sounds.

    Some day, at one point, that changed. Kemper left this road and after an update the chances that all of your rigs sound different were very high.

    That's obvious by updating to version 11 at least.

    In my opinion, not a good sign for a company who makes money with a reputation for stability.

    Just my mind.

    Agreed. We work hard on our tones. I love tweaking them to be just right. Then there's an update available - do quick backup then install the update. Over the last 3.5 years of Kemper ownership, it's not unusual for those perfectly-tweaked tones to sound radically different. It's very frustrating. I almost expect it. Then the backup saves the day.

    Surely its more time and effort to remove a feature? What is wrong with leaving it there as it is?

    There is a some assumption by the developers that "this" is how it should be. A bit like when the amp+EQ buttons were combined- It was nice when you could turn them off and on separately. The argument there was that you wouldn't do this on a traditional/normal amp. But the whole point of the modelling world is that it should be flexible enough to suit everyone's needs. And to remove a feature is lessening the possibilities.

    the only reason i can imagine is that it "frees" up some CPU for some other stuff though i guess that would be negligible.

    Traditional amps rarely have a mix-control for between direct and amp tones, why not do away with that too?

    rant over

    +1 please bring it back and don't remove them from other effects. Please.

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    Hi Guys,

    I heard you, and thanks for your comments.

    I will bring the old chorus back and add the crossover again.

    However, you will allow me to keep the bugfix that I had applied. The previous model had by far not enough effect level, compared to the reference BOSS CE-1 and a good friend of mine pointed me to this flaw.

    The original CE-1 has a boost of nearly 5 dB, when engaged. I have reduced this boost to less than 2 dB for version 12, the bugfix.

    For the next version I will eliminate the boost completely.


    CK